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Offline tajga101

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« Reply #150 on: 9/04/19, 19:39 »
Hi Mac78

I totally get your confusion over the choices of locations, procedures, having info about the donor or not.

These are personal choices and only you and your partner can make them to make sure you do not regret anything.

As for me, I went for Spain because my local clinic is affiliated with them and their success rates at IB are huge. I learned that probabilities and % do not always work in IVF so you never know - you may need only one go or you many need more. I wish we could apply easy maths into all of it but it does not work that way 😊.

As for the donor and if to have it not to have info about them - I actually feel better without knowing much. The donor somehow replaces you - and for me, the less I know the better I feel about it. Yes, I know it is selfish and I may regret this in the future but it is a very hypothetical discussion so far as I am not guaranteed to get pregnant.

Hope this is of any help? Keep us posted on how you are and what you choose in the end. Big hug

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    « Reply #151 on: 10/04/19, 21:19 »
    Hi Tajga,

    Thank you for your reply, it was very helpful. It's a big decision and DH must come to one together soon, then no regrets once we make a decision.
    I got in touch with the clinic and asked for more info on the DE treatment, but I still haven't heard from anyone yet. :(

    Good luck with your cycle.

    Big  ^hugme^

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    « Reply #152 on: 11/04/19, 14:44 »

    Thank you so much Helen6a & Helen!!

    Well I have news....apparently the collection was meant for Monday 15th April and yesterday they confirmed they will do it tomorrow!
    My scan on day 12 was a bit thin as my endo is measuring 5.6 mm and the Doctor Castillo advised to start with 3 pills of Progyluton a day earlier.
    I am a bit nervous as everything is coming earlier than expected and I don't feel ready yet! 

    Yesterday they said that collection will be on Friday, fertiliztion on Saturday and Transfer on Wednesday 17th April.

    I started to eat more nuts,pomegranate juice, milk ( as I read here may help with to thicken the endometrium), and went to acupuncture today...
    but the next scan is tomorrow so no much time...
    They told me to wait until Saturday to book flights...

    Any other advice that may help ladies? Has any of you has done acupuncture in Alicante, if so where? At the clinic they tol me that they charge 60 euros...
     
    @Helen6a could you please send me details of the appartment you have been please? XX

    Thanks you all so much for you help and support! XXX

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    « Reply #153 on: 11/04/19, 20:55 »
    Welcome MAC
    I have a 5yr old from DE and currently pregnant again using the same donor. I too used IB as my clinic In Southampton worked closely with them. I agree with previous comments I felt better not knowing about donor. People used to donate freely in the uk until they changed the law about it being anonymous then donors dried up as people didnít want that hanging over them for 18yrs. So the majority of ED in the uk are egg sharers so they canít afford their own treatment so they donate their eggs to reduce the cost. I wanted to be selfish I didnít want half so maybe 4-6 eggs I wanted them all and the best shot at getting a family.
    The travel is really easy. This time because we have a child it was easier if my OH flew out the day the donor was having egg collection to give his sample and flew home the same day. Then I flew out for transfer a few days later.  We are down south so the flight was only 1hr 45mins.
    Hope this helps
    Helen x x x

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    « Reply #154 on: 12/04/19, 16:46 »
    Hi Helen, MAC and others,

    How is everyone? How are you feeling Helen? Hope your OH is back and you get some helping hand with the 5 year old?

    How about you MAC, have you managed to have some meetings with Spain?

    As for me, I am still waiting for start of the cycle. It has now been 17 days since the Gonapeptyl injection...IB is ok for me to wait until next week and if it does not come - they will initiate some scans and blood tests. I hope that my body will behave and stop the delay.

    Best wishes for the weekend all.
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    « Reply #155 on: 12/04/19, 18:05 »
    Hello there ladies.
    Sorry I have been AWOL for some time. The pregnancy did not go as planned. Unfortunately, we miscarried yet again. That was miscarriage number 3, and we have five angels in heaven now. I really felt like I could not continue with anymore IVF treatment but the hubbie really wants to give it one more go. So today, we had a Skype call with IB to see what they suggest what might help to carry a baby to term. We spoke with Dr Castillo and Anastasia. He has suggested for the next transfer we do it as naturally as possible with minimal medication. I would prepare the endometrium on a natural cycle and would have a scan early in the cycle and another one around day 10. Then I would have a trigger shot to cause me to ovulate so that they have some control over it. Then we will go to Spain and have the transfer of one embryo not PGS tested. We did ask if we could transfer two embryos seen as they will not be tested but he advised against it considering I had gotten pregnant with triplets the last time i did a double embryo transfer. Also, his rationale for not doing the PGS testing is that it is unlikely that the embryos have been the cause of the miscarriages and he would like to avoid biopsy of an embryo as this would be another intervention. I would still need to have the clexane and steroids but aspirin will only be started if we get a BFP.  After I had the second miscarriage we went to see Dr Gorgy in London who is an immune specialist. He did bloods and a uterine biopsy which showed high natural killer cells. In his opinion to carry a baby to term I would need to have two shots of humira before the transfer and then iv immunoglobulin after the transfer to reduce the number of natural killer cells causing the miscarriages. But the doctors in Spain say that this is too harsh a treatment and can have a lot of side effects like leaving you immunocompromised. They do not believe that there is enough evidence yet to be treating for high natural killer cells. I am a bit lost and don't know what to do for the best. This last transfer we went with the Spanish doctors and followed their treatment plan but it ended in a miscarriage. I really could not face getting pregnant again and miscarrying. So although we feel they will get us pregnant again I don't feel they are addressing the issue of my possible immune issues that are causing the miscarriages.  Do any of you lovely ladies have experience of immune issues and the treatment or have had recurrent miscarriages that have any advice to help me make a decision?
    Sorry did not realize I had written such an essay. Baby dust to all. XXX

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    « Reply #156 on: 12/04/19, 18:28 »
    @Mac78
    Welcome to the thread. I did oe cycles in the UK but when i went to Spain and my amh was tested it was low too. We did a cycle with oe in Spain but it only resulted in one blastocyst which when tested was found to be abnormal so could not be transferred. We made the decision to move to de and for me it was not a hard decision as i felt that if I carried the baby it would feel like my own even if it did not have my DNA. We did one cycle with de and hubby's sperm which resulted in one embryo which was found to be abnormal and again we could not transfer. We decided to move to the embryo adoption. My first attempt with embryo adoption we got pregnant with triplets and the second attempt we got pregnant with a singleton. Unfortunately, we lost both pregnancies. The logistics are quite easy to arrange. For the two transfers that were successful I flew over on my own stayed 2/3 days and came home. Some people do it in on over night stay but i preferred to make a little break out of it. There is little to no waiting list. I have found it quite easy to arrange the flights and accommodation at the last minute although it maybe is not the cheapest when booking this way. We chose Spain because my husband is from there and also the treatment is cheaper but just a good quality if not better than the UK. My husband also likes the fact that is anonymous and would prefer it this way. If you have anymore questions don't hesitate to ask. XXX

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    « Reply #157 on: 12/04/19, 22:00 »
    Good Evening ladies,

    Helen I hope your OH has arrived and everything is fine with you! Please keep us posted!

    @Bailey77, I am really sorry to hear that you have miscarried again, it's terribly difficult to go through a miscarriage and especially so many times...
    I absolutely understand you...I had 3 miscarriages before having my son. My miscarriages were pregnancies conceived naturally, but they couldn't find the issue as to why I couln't keep them....until I asked to be referred to the recurrent miscarriage clinic at St Marys hospital in Paddington, there they find out that I  have thrombophilia and I had to take aspirin & clexane throughout my fourth pregnancy and only then I was successful.

    If I were you I would do another consultation related to  high natural killer cells, because maybe you need another protocol if that is the reason and you need to know why you cannot keep the pregnancy. Now you know that you can get pregnant.

    I wish you all the very best and please if I can be of any help let me know!XX



     

     
         

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    « Reply #158 on: 12/04/19, 22:05 »
    Hi ladies,

    Thank you, Bailey, Onesock, and Tagja your worlds are very encouraging and after reading your posts and reading the reply from the clinic today, the small seed of encouragement is starting to grow on me. Now, I really need to sit down with hubby and we need to decide our priorities:-\

    Bailey, I am really sorry to hear about your miscarriage and thank for finding words of encouragement for me when you 're going through such a hard time, what a beautiful soul you are. I am sorry I am not able to offer any advice in regards to immune issues, but it does seem like you have to investigate this further before you try again.

    Bigs hugs to you all ^hugme^

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    « Reply #159 on: 13/04/19, 20:02 »
    Hi Bailey,

    I had Humira and IVIG and intralipids.

    All this treatment probably got me pregnant. I had 4 former treatments all ending up with nothing. Unfortunately I did miscarry but it was due to chromosomal issues. My body actually failed to notice that the heart of the baby stopped.

    I had developed a cyst after Humira that had to be drained. Would not take it again though agree that it was the most effective drug to reduce my interleukin alpha. As for NK cells, I had these two high as well and for that I got IVIGS. I did not have any issues after IVIG or intralipids.

    Of all the immune treatment the least incisive are intralipids.

    Hope this helps?
    T