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Offline butterflys

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Hi Pen,
 
Just found a reference to positive pregnancy with poor lining:
 
http://www.fertilethoughts.com/forums/ivf-multiple-ivfers/366236-new-ways-increase-lining.html
 
Quote from;
beth1968
 
"I also have endometriosis and lining issues. My lining never has gotten past a 7.5 without drugs. With my first FET my doctor had me do estrogen patches, estrodiol tablets inserted vaginally, Estract for circulation and viagra suppositories. With all this medication my lining got up to a 9.

On my second IVF (With a different doctor) I was running/walking daily and doing maya abdominal massage daily as well as all my IVF meds. My lining got up to a 10.

On my current FET I was walking/running occasionally and doing maya massage every few days and my lining didn't look very good so my doctor added the estrace vaginally in addition to the patched. My lining increased to an 8 and was trilateral. My current RE doesn't think the lining needs to be above a 7 in order to transfer.

I emailed with a woman earlier this year and she had another recommendation. Here you go...
My linings were all below 5mm…
We did everything to try to get it to thicken up but nothing worked so I started drinking an Herbal tea called fertilitea from dreamsweet.com.
She ended up getting pregnant. They cancelled her for anything under 6mm.

Good luck"
 
Hope this cheers you up!
 
Butterflys x

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    Offline mad margaret

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    Thanks Butterflys for your kind words.  I read that one dr pointed out that thousands of embryos every year embed themselves in the Fallopian tube, where there is no uterine lining at all and happily develop up to 3 mths until the usual devastation. If that can happen there then it can happen in a thin lining.  So there is hope.
      Dr lubov seemed so down about it, that I can't really get my head into being positive.  Did think it might be worth getting our next ivf round of drugs while we are here. Will text Lyucyna. Have already decided to come out for a midweek go on my own (how brave am I?) with the 3 frozen blasties.  But with my age against me, they may want to use the 10 eggs first - the likelihood of all 3 blasts surviving defrost is very small and I don't think they consider it worth my while doing the tx with maybe just one.  In that case will have to wait till DH can get more work out here, which maybe a while now the big project is over.

    Why is this all so complicated?  When I told DH about thin lining (and I was trying to be positive) the look on his face just broke my heart, I'm in tears just thinking about it.  I want this soooo much for him.

    Grrrrrrrrr.

    Offline butterflys

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    Hi Pen,
     
    You have to stay positive, I know its hard but stick with it.  Its so hard to try juggle everything, work, family, home and all this crack I dont know how we keep going, but then again what would we do without it?  I'm not giving up yet, no way! I'm a firm believer in faith, if its gonna happen its gonna happen, regardless of thin linnings and all other circumstances. Fingers crossed for ye,
     
    Will be thinking of you both,
     
    Butterflys x
     
     

    Offline going again

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    Whether or not the embryos implant has nothing to do with your age, Mad Margaret.....it's all up to the little ones! I've read in your posts a couple of times that you think your age is against you......if you're using donor eggs, your age is not an issue. I reckon I'm a bit older than you and I have great hopes ( as we all do ) for my transfer next week.....I've never given my age a second thought as a reason for a transfer not working ( and I've had my fair share of those too! )
    I agree with Butterflys....stay positive!

    Offline mad margaret

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    Ah well, I think it depends on your age a little bit.  I am 52 and post menopausal. The general rule is to increase the number of eggs put back (donor or no) as you get older. Once in 50s 3 minimum and up to 6. I think I may ask for more to be put back next time, if this is not successful.
     I have 3 children naturally and have always got pregnant easily (twice with non penetrative sex) (don't ask), so I reckon my uterus knows what it's doing. Unfortunately, my eggs were too old and my DH and I lost 2 little ones. Hence the egg donors now. Since menopause (which has been held at bay with hrt) my linings have started fluctuating and I think will need more monitoring in the future. Shame, as ultrasounds cost a fortune where I live. I agree with you that age is only one small factor, when there are so many and ultimately it really is the luck of the draw.  The more goes at it the more likely you are to succeed.

    We'll use up these eggs that are frozen and then probably stop. DH is younger than me (37) so at least his sperm has no age issues!  If you look at my (link below) blog you will see that I found an interesting report by an American embryologist who thinks that there is too much emphasis put on lining thickness and certainly gave me renewed hope.

    Off into town now, nice long walk, and a large cup of melted chocolate waiting for me at the end of it. Will buy some giant kilo bars of the homemade chocolate and then back to apartment and carry on working on script for show I'm directing in a couple of weeks time.  DH at work all day, but we might do dinner tonight.  Think we might go painting on our last day tomorrow, depends on weather.  So nice busy time ahead, son gets married in less than 2  weeks which will mean I won't have time to sit and fret about any possible signs, symptoms etc. Will keep an eye on here tho!

    Good luck to all about to do the deed!

    Love penx

     

    Offline going again

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    It's interesting........we are similar ages...although you have one year up on me......my lining at the moment is 8mm and my FS here said that it was fine....all the embryos needed was something to implant into......he wasn't too worried that it might be a little thin, perhaps. He has never said anything about my age and having more embryos transferred, indeed, he has always said that the chance of pregnancy depended on the age of the donor....anyway, as you said, it is all luck of the draw because of the variables involved. Still.....best of luck.....you never know what these little things can do!!

    Offline mad margaret

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    You'll be fine with that lining - it's not too thin at all. Everything I've read suggests an optimal of 8mm at day of transfer, so you will be over that and there is more to suggest that thicker is better. Mine was 7mm at transfer, but to be honest I would not worry at all if it weren't for our Drs reaction.

    And yes we mature ladies need young things for our eggs. I look at the girls in the recovery room and with all my heart I wish them well.  They are usually very poor students.  It makes me feel bad sometimes, like a wealthy foreigner plundering this wonderful country for all we can get.  And yet we are not rich.  I am using the money my dad left me last year and once that is gone, then that's that.  And now it nearly has. 

    But arent we incredibly lucky to live in an age where this amazing thing is possible at all?

    Fingers crossed for all of us!

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    Offline Empty2

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    Hi Pen,
     
    Our surrogates lining was only very thin thats why they put 3 embies back, we prayed that one would take and hey presto all 3 did!  Keep calm  ^hugme^
     
    emps
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    Offline mad margaret

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    Thanks so much emps for that, it's made me feel a LOT better about everything!
    Xx

    Offline mad margaret

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    Have just started spotting.  Could be result of aggressive internal examination yesterday, could be implantation, could be af.  Who knows?

    Nb dr says chronic pains could be tortionated ovary. But they are only v mild if I sleep on my left side, so no need for more investigation so far.

    Emps when was your second bleed? Looked it up and latest thinking is that implantation bleed is not till 10-12 dpo, which fits with me. Suspect it will be something else tho.

    X