You lucky people - I have about 20 flippin needles in at a time!!! Tummy, feet (youch), legs, arms, chest. She uses burning incense over the needles too and I leave smelling like I've smoked a massive joint!!
I go weekly at the mo but may decrease soon as my purse is struggling to keep up!
You've all been so helpful! I go for my second session in about half an hour and my sessions have been booked weekly.
My step brother (aged 18, lives with us) thinks all these complementary therapies are "hocus pocus" etc but he came back from college today raving about acupuncture! Nearly collapsed with shock! Apparently one of his tutors successfully used it to quit smoking, now he is thinking of having a go!
I said "You can come with me if you want" but he had to go back to college.
Take care everyone, I'll let you know what being "electrocuted" is like!
I have to agree with you on this. My DH is very scpetical on this type of thing and indeed the thrapist when she asked him why he was there, said no don;t answer that i know its becuase your wife thinks its a good idea. After a couple of sessions he noticed marked health benefits which, sorted out a problem he has had since childhood - mazing. Although he has been doing the vits and no alcohol thing he puts down the improvement in his sperm down to this.
I am having trouble finding an acupuncturist in my area, and the one that I did find didnt even know what IVF was!!!! I did find a nice lady who lives an hour away, but she will only see people on Tuesdays, BUT she has experiance with people going through IVF.
She charges £24 a session, which I think is reasonable.
My fertility clinic have an accupuncturist on site every Thursday (the one day I CAN'T get off!) and she's quite expensive- £50 for the first visit, then £35 after that. But I love the idea that she is used to having IVF patients, and she will even wheel me off for a session of accupuncture right after EC.
Hmmm.......is it nesessary to have an acupuncturist who has experiance with IVF (lets face it, over a matter of weeks its a lot of money!) or not?
Also, is Chinese accupuncture any different to 'western' acupuncture?
I have has accupuncture for a few months now. At the mo i'm having it weekly on the same day too as I am undergoing my 1st ivf.
I only have about 4 needles put in at a time and also the moxa to heat up the points. I normaly feel great afterwards.
My accupuncturist said that it is due to dampness in the abdominal area, has anyone had this too?
Sonia[br]Posted on: April 27, 2004, 05:23:02 PMHi Marie,
I'm no expert, but have been having accupuncture for a while now. In general chit chat with my accupuncturist, I feel that it is important that your acc'ist has experience in the field of infertility. There are a lot of things that accupuncture can help you with, such as bringing on AF, making AF more regular, help follies grow etc etc.
Apparently there is different types of accupunture too. Something known as TCM which my acc'ist does not practice ( apparently that is where they put the needles direct into the area it hurts or is a problem) -western form. The other form ( i forget its name now) treats the whole body on the basis that the body heals itself and encourages that. eastern form .
its really hard to find someone good, but I think its time well spent. I spend £34 weekly and I would say thats an average amount.
am gonna jump in here, hope you don't mind.
I am having accupuncture and chinese herbs to get me ready for my cycle.
I am now two months into my weekly sessions and she is a infertilty and IVF specialist. I am working months ahead of myself because i want to be ready for when my IVF cycle begins. At the mo, am waiting to have my tubes out due to profound hydro
Randine Lewis, the US authority on accup/herbs even contacts my therapist for advice on patients! And my therapist is using me as a case study.
Fresh herbs are given for the first fifteen days. Then I take a break and take a different batch for the last three-five days of my luteal phase.
I am also on a classic fertility herb which she imports from China. I kid you not, but they come in a wax egg which you break and take the 100 tiny pills. Again, these are taken during the follicular stage.
I am also on wild Yam for bad night sweats.
SHe wants to get my cycle like clockwork, feed the womb, feed the ovaries, cleanse my system, rebalance everything after my devastating ectopic.
She is also going to treat my hubby for sperm mobility and motility. We get his sperm results in ten days but no matter what they show, he's going to get needles done.
My therapist, as i say, specialises in infertility and IVF. She has had five new pregnancies recently, with women WRITTEN OFF by the medical profession, women with hormonal and unexplained infertility, even one lady whose husband had a count of almost zero.
SHe's great, I trust her, she's essential to me in my IVF journey.
Sorry, have rambled a bit, just wanted to share.
I would recommend that anyone considering acupuncture, refers to the British Acupuncture Council Website: http://www.acupuncture.org.uk/ to locate a qualified and trained acupuncturist. All registered acupuncturists have undertaken at least three years full time training covering chinese medicine, western pathology, physiology and related subjects.
The confusion lies in that some physio's, doctors and other medical professions can attend a few days training in acupuncture, purely for pain relief. This is termed 'western or medical acupuncture' rather than TCM acupuncture (traditional chinese medicine).
i've been having acupuncture for a few weeks now, and I really thought that each week, the needles would be moved according to what I needed.
However, the needles have always gone in the same place!
I have a needle in each wrist, a needle in my belly, a needle in my knees, and a needle on each foot.
She sometimes moves the position of the needles in my arms, for example, she says the needles in my wrists are to calm me, but she moved them last week to help with my nausea.
I am just worried that she isnt really helping with the IVF, and I have heard from others that the needles get moved about to help with the flowing of the blood to the right places.
My clinic has an acupuncturist, but she is only there on a thursday, which is a very hard day for me to travel- its nearly impossible, in fact.
What do you think?
My acupuncturist does change the position of the needles although there are points she does tend to use. In some cases although it may seem as though the points are in the same place they are actually in different points. If you look at a TCM chart you will see what I mean. The session should start with a chat to talk about how you are and how you are feeling and then she should take your pulses. Depending on what she finds there depends on the needles to use etc. Each practitioner works in a different way so as long as you are feeling benefit from it eg less nausea or calmer it is working.
The one I have had in the belly is very strange - I got a lot of sensation from it.
Now that you mention it, I did notice she had changed the position of the ones in my needles this week.
She dosent always take my pulse, but she does always start the session by asking how I felt last week after my session, and if my nausea had gone completely, and for how long etc.
She always asks how I have felt that week, and asks about each stage of treatment.
She told me this week about pulses, and about how your tongue can show up illnesses.
I get lots of sensation from the belly one, and also my right wrist.
I had accupuncture religiously during my first IVF cycle by a lady at my clinic, it was very expensive and it didn't help at all. My lining was very poor and I produced only one egg.
It helped me relax but nothing else. This time around I asked my new fertility expert what she thought about accupuncture, she said "I don't think its effectiveness has been proven as much as the practioners would like to make out."
I am not having it this time around and so far my lining is doing a whole lot better than last time. Have accupuncture if you want it, but don't beat yourself up about it if you don't.
Has anyone ever had acupunture on the day of ec?
The lady I go to has surgested she give me a treatment 20 mins before EC and 20 minutes after, she says it will higher the success rate??
Has anyone heard of this before?
I go weekly at the moment and will be having ec in about 3 weeks time hopefully.
I haven't got to your stage yet, but wanted to let you know that I have seen a report which published results (in Germany I think) of a trial conducted on IVF patients. The trial was based on acupuncture sessions before and after embryo transfer and the conclusion was that it increased the success rate (suggesting up to 40% success with the acupuncture).
I would really like to do this - I have been having acupuncture for months and feel that I have benefited. Problem is I can't take my acupuncturist into hospital with me!! I think the best I will be able to manage is maybe a session the day before and one the day after embryo transfer (assuming that I get to that stage as I am still stimming).
I don't have the website but you could try a search on the internet. I did print the report out, if I can find it later I will post the details.
Love Alison xx[br]Posted on: August 02, 2004, 02:12:27 PMHi again Saff
Have managed to find my paperwork on acupuncture and IVF that I printed from the internet....
I have two papers - the first I found on a website www.naturalgynae.com which evaluates the effect of acupuncture on pregnancy rates for a group of patients undergoing IVF. 160 patients were studied - 80 patients received acupuncture 25 minutes before and after et while the other 80 did not receive acupuncture. The results were 42.5% pregnancy rate with acupuncture and 26.3% without it. These seem remarkable results although, this of course does not give accurate live birth rates. It also says that only patients with good embryo quality were included in the study - but does not give any further details on how the embryos were graded so really am not sure how reliable this study might be. However, I don't think acupuncture does any harm!!
The second paper is from a website www.jcm.co.uk and shows results using acupuncture during the period of using stimulation drugs to help follicles grow - again showing good results.
I love having acupuncture anyway, because it makes me feel calmer and has definite health benefits. Whether it can effect the outcome of IVF is probably debatable, but anything is worth a try.
If all goes well with my stimulation drugs I shall be having ec & et next week (for some reason I thought I was behind you) so will let you know how I get on!
Lots and lots of luck with your tx too - I shall look out for you on the boards!