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Hi everyone,

I just joined the site yesterday and was pointed in this direction in order to chat with some local people and also to see what people thought of the various clinics on offer.

Up until now we have endured all of our treatment on the NHS at the Rosie.  i found the downstairs clinic painful - there was loads of waiting about and we always saw a different dr each time and they always had a different take on things.  No consistancy to say the least.  Probably doesn't help that I am a nurse because I do know what the NHS can be like at its best.  When we moved upstairs to Daphne ward for ovulation induction things improved greatly.  the nurses were nice and it seemed to be a much more personal experience.

We were told that if our 3 cycles of ovulation induction didn't work the next thing would be for IVF.  I feel somewhat bewildered and scard about this . I guess I never thought we would reach this point.  We will probably go privately because we have been told the NHS list is long and feel like we haven''t got time to waste.  Our choices are with Bourne hall or privately at the Rosie.  Does anyone have any advice or experiences to share about levels of expertise, cost and being generally cared for?  (not to mention how to get through IVF - guess I'm just a scardie cat)

thnaks for your help

Kiwi Rose
 

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Hi Kiwi Rose,

Welcome to the site. My experience of the Rosie is 4 years old so things may have changed. I totally understand what you mean with the downstairs outpatients clinic.    I assume that you would still have to go Bourn Hall for EC/ET if you decided to go for private IVF at the Rosie unless things have changed there.  I started off with the medicated IUI at the Rosie always as a private patient because at the time there was no funding for IF tx in this area.  After three failed attempts we moved onto IVF - consultation and scanning at Rosie and EC/ET at Bourn Hall.  I don't recall being given a choice when I moved onto IVF perhaps they just assumed I would stay with them.  Had I have been given the choice I would probably have stayed with the Rosie simply because I was already familiar with staff there and the way things worked.  Was disappointed to have to abandon second attempt due to them not being able to process bloods on the Sunday but guess that would have been the same at most clinics. Whilst I found the nurses to generally be lovely at the Rosie my major complaint was that you could never get anyone on the phone - it was always the answerphone.  The Rosie was, however, convenient for me at the time as I was working in Cambridge.  I could get an appointment before work and still be at work on time so didn't have to explain why I was late.  Couldn't have done that if was going for scans at Bourn.  I was lucky enough to have ICSI work for me third time after two abandoned cycles. 

Decided to try for baby no. 2 Nov last year so had a frozen cycle with embryos remaining from before.  This time was decided to have a treatment all with Bourn Hall.  Found everything with Bourn OK everyone there is extremely friendly and are more than pleased to answer any questions that you may have.  Routine scan appointments did last a lot longer at Bourn though.  With the Rosie, as I am sure you will already have encountered, you see one of the nurses and they scan you, take your bloods and that is it.  At Bourn there is a lot more waiting - you are scanned by one person, then have to wait to be seen by a nurse to have bloods taken and then also if you need any more drugs have to wait to see the pharmacist.  In comparison I would say that I would be at a scan appointment for about 15 mins at the Rosie but at Bourn it was more like 45mins to 1 hr.  Only had two scans for FET at Bourn though so may just have been there at particularly busy periods.  I moved to Bourn Hall as a full patient because it was more convenient this time (no longer working in Cambridge and the parking at the Rosie is a nightmare - not mention the cost!) so nothing in particular that the Rosie had done wrong.  I have never heard anyone on this site say anything particularly negative about Bourn Hall - the clinic is in a lovely setting and the building is lovely and does not feel at all clinical (My DD calls it a castle).  This cycle I am going through at the moment will be my first full fresh cycle at Bourn and I think I prefer that I will be going there for every stage rather than having to go through two clinics.

Can't comment on costs though because not paid for anything at the Rosie for 4 years but if you ask them for a list of prices (if you haven't got one already) you can go to Bourn Hall website all of their costs are listed there so you should be able to compare.  Although if I remember correctly if you chose Rosie you will pay some to them and some to Bourn.

Don't worry about feeling scared at the prospect of IVF I am sure that everyone does.  It gets easier once you get started and EC/ET are not half as scary as they seem.

Sorry I have rambled a lot but hope you got through it and it makes some sense.  Good luck with coming to a decision and in any treatment you may have.

Sue x
 

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Hi Sue,

thanks so much for sharing your experiences.  I really hope your treatment works for you.

I guess it feel like a lot of pressure to make the right decision because we desperately want a child.  Like you say I suppose the choice comes down to convenience v consistancy (ie same team involved throughout).  I guess for us we need to think about the "what ifs" if treatment doesn't work.  Would we look back and think what if we'd gone to bourn hall.  DH view is that fertility is all they do there whereas the rosie seems to cover everything gynae related.  I am waiting for the rosie to send detals before we make the final decision (they seem very persuasive on the phone).  We can talk ourselves into going to either place and then argue our way back again.

I totally get what you mean about the parking and the phone though.  It is really difficult when you are working too - it isn't the sort of conversation you want overheard by your colleagues is it?  And I guess those little things really make a difference to the overall experience.

It sounds awful that your treatment was abandoned because no one could do your blood tests.

It is really helpful to know that your scans e.t.c. at bourne take longer.  Helps us to know a little bit more what to expect from both places.

Glad to know that everyone gets scared about IVF.  I think it is the egg collection that seems worst (I've had scans, injections and bloot tests gallore before.)  At the open day at Bourn they said most people have it done under local.  This is the part that is really scary.  Is that really OK? (or am I really a woose?)

Let me know how the treatment goes.  I'll be willing you on all the way.

lots of love

Kiwi Rose
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Hi,

Glad that I was able to help a bit.  I don't think you are a woose about egg collection.  I remember the first time I did it I couldn't stop shaking all the way to theatre by the time I came out I wondered what I was so worried about.  I had egg colleciton under sedation with a local.  You can have GA and they give you the choice on the day (or that is how it worked four years ago).

Thank you for your good wishes - baseline scan tomorrow so not long until egg collection for me.  If you want to find out more about Bourn there is a Bourn Hall thread under the ICSI section.

Hope you make a decision you are happy with soon.  Take care

Sue x
 

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Hi ya

Was just having a read and thought I'd stick my nose in with this...

We saw a fertility nurse at Ipswich Hospital yesterday and she said NHS do EC under GA now and that Bourn Hall are moving more towards GA for EC (we are going there for ET).

Hope this puts your mind at rest!

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Kiwi Rose - one thing I forgot to mention about difference is that Bourn do pregnancy test day 14 past egg collection with blood test but (again if things are still the same) Rosie don't test until day 21 with urine test. 

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thank you thank you thank you.

we have recieved all the info from both olaces now so we plan to put our thinking caps on this weekend.  No doubt my mother will put her 2 pennith worth in too.  I think I'll checo out the thread on bourn hall though.

I don't suppose that the day of the blood test makes much difference (although time passes very slowly when you are waiting), but thanks Lully for the heads up about the general.

hope the base line scan was OK

take care

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Everything was OK today.  Did find out they there do not do sedation for egg collection anymore though.  I said that I would have just the local although it will be a new experience for me.  Oh well I am sure it will be fine.

Good luck with making your decision - let me know what you decide.

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HI Kiwi Rose.
I thought I share my experience with Bourn Hall. I have only been at Rosie once for a consultation, and didn't like the experience, so we decided to go to Bourn. The experience with Bourn has been great. I have had a few ICSi treatments there, and at the moment I just had a FET. I am waiting to have my blood test in 2 weeks time. The personell is very friendly and the doctors take the time to discuss through things, so in general it feels welcoming to be there.
When I have had my EC's I have always had it under GA, and according to Bourn's comments, this is a light GA, and I have never had any complications afterwards. This seems to be the most common option people are choosing at Bourn.

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Hi Kiwi Rose,
I have experience of both places. Like you I started out at the Rosie and then went private at Bourne.
The Clomid with Rosie is def the worst part being downstairs, it didn't work for me so went on the IVF waiting list - which is long but does move! We managed to scrape £5000 together from relatives etc and went private at Bourne Hall. I can def rec it as staff are so good and its a really calm place in beautiful surroundings - which does help when stressed! My first cycle was negative preg result - 7 eggs collected, 5 fertilised and so froze 3. Went for FET but embrios didn't survive the thaw so thought that was the end of the road for a while. Out of the blue got IVF letter from Rosie - took about 2 yrs all in all but it soon passed. IVF with the Rosie is all upstairs and the staff are if anything more informative than Bourne. It's a v professiional service and you aren't constantly surrounded by pics of babies like you are at Bourne - being private they have to advertise their success I suppose. The actual egg collection, fertilisation and transfer is all done at Bourne hall in partnership with Rosie but all scans are with the Rosie - best of both worlds in a way! Hope all this makes sense? You can actually have payed for IVF at Rosie too - bit cheaper than Bourne. Didn't catch your age or circumstances but you can egg share at Bourne if under 35 (poss 36) and that takes IVF to about £1000 or less - alas I was too old for that!

Good luck with everything  ^goodluck^

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Just out of interest  does anyone know what the price difference is between Rosie and Bourn?
And do Rosie go to Bourn for sperm donation?
And (last one, promise) is IUI "upstairs" or "downstairs" at Rosie?

Sorry to butt in  ::), hope you don't mind!

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Hi Pabbo,

Rosie IUI is upstairs.  Sorry don't know about sperm donation but I would imagine that they would.  Price wise I couldn't give you any up to date information.  If you are going to have IVF privately with Rosie then you will pay Rosie for the scans and Bourn for the egg collection and embryo transfer separately.  I found it quite hard to compare because the Bourn price list includes scans and egg collection/embryo transfer as one price (hope that all made sense).

Hope that helped.

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Hi Pabbo,

I think sperm donation is bourne as Rosie don't have donation facilities on site. When DH had test done you had to do it at home as they don't have room etc set like Bourne! You deliver it to Rosie thru mad cambs traffic at body temp. Brings a whole new meaning to 'get a room'  ;D

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Littlefish said:
Brings a whole new meaning to 'get a room' ;D
;D Marie - very true.

Any decision yet Kiwi Rose?

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aaaaaaahhhh.  I've just written a great long reply and then hit the worng button and it all disappeared :(
I can't believe I'm such a clutz!  i promise to try again tomorrow.

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Hi,

Has anyone done natural FET at through the Rosie Bourne Hall partnership?
Just considering next steps and can't face down regulating again!

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^hello^

Well after much consideration and deliberation I think we have decided to go to Bourn.  I don't sound entirely certain because i find I can talk myself into one treatment centre and then into the other. In the end our reasons were:
a) none of you guys seem to have a bad word to say about it.  thank you all for sharing your experiences.
b) fertility is the only thing that Bourn Hall do, where as Rosie seems to be gynae dept with small interest in fertility.  Also can have whole proceedure form start to finnish at one place.
c) If we only ever do this once and it doesn't work we want to be able to look back and thinkthat we gave it our best shot.  not that the Rosie wouldn't be good but we thought if we went there we would be more likely to say "what if we had gone to Bourn" rather than "what if we had gone to the Rosie"

So we have takenthe plunge and have an initial appointment in 2 weeks.  Providing they seem nice we'll go with them. (just keeping our fingers crossed that we winthe lotterie now ;)

Sue - how are you going? Hope youare OK onthe drugs.  You'll have to keep me posted abouthe EC under local.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you that they collect loads ^goodluck^

Hi littlefish - I'm new to all this so I can't hel you much, but I'm sure the others will.

Pabbo - we were told that if we wanted IUI we had to go privately as they didn't do it at the Rosie.  It was about £1000 a go I think.

Marie - I am 35 (and a half) now so I may well be too old.  Also I think I might just be too selfish.  I think that I'd find it hard ot give away a chance of having a child.  Does that make me mean? I take my hat off to the ladies who do though.

thank you all so much for sharing your experiences and being honest.  It has really helped us make our decision.  I'll keep you all posted.

lots ofl luck

Kiwi Rose xx
 

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Kiwi Rose said:
Pabbo - we were told that if we wanted IUI we had to go privately as they didn't do it at the Rosie. It was about £1000 a go I think.
God, now I am really confused. :-\

The HFEA booklets all say that the Rosie does do IUI, in conjunction with Bourn. If they don't, would they put us straight onto IVF? I'm wondering why our GP referred us there if she expected them to do IUI, of whether she thought we'd just go straight into IVF (she was a specialist in fertility in Cambridge, so you would have thought she'd know). I assumed they wouldn't do IVF until we had done IUI.

Has anyone out there had any experience with the Rosie that isn't IVF??

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Hi, 

Kiwi Rose - Glad to hear you have come to a decision.  ^goodluck^ for your appointment.  I am sure you will find everyone at Bourn is nice.  Had scan this morning and looks like we are good for egg collection on Wednesday.

Pabbo - I had medicated IUI at the Rosie in 2003.  We were private though (no NHS funding available at the time).  I imagine they do still do it though if you have been referred there.

Littlefish - I've only had FET totally at Bourn but I understand that Bourn only do medicated FET so would imagine it would be the same.  Hope you are able to do natural though.

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Hi Everyone,  ^hugme^

I'm new to FF and have recently been diagnosed with PCOS. I'm currently awaiting an NHS referral to a Dr. at Addenbrookes. (I'm sure the wait will be huge . . . .)
I have thought about going private but need to have a think about finances and i'm not really sure how it works ie. NHS and changing to private.

Does anyone have any good  ;D / bad  ^bigbad^ or indifferent experiences of Addenbrookes?

Kiwi Rose good luck at Bourn Hall!

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