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Molly - they refused me too. Don't know why....
 

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You can call the lab and get the tests done that way.  They send you a kit - you get a doc to do them and send them in.  I would guess they then give you the report.
 

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Hi Orchid..

I just received another mail this morn from Ledee's secretary saying...

Bonjour,

Ci-joint nouvelle réponse du Dr Lédée :

Sorry,

For the moment, we can’t help you.
Best regards.

Cordialement.

Lisa MATOS
Secrétariat PMA
01.53.36.41.78

Teeinparis.. Thanks for that info..
Has anybody done it this way ??
Can you give some more detail if possible on how you go about doing this ! ?? !

Thanks..

Am thinking of maybe going to Coventry if this all is going to be impossible to organise...

Ugh.. Stress on top of stress .... Not good !

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This is really frustrating for you Molly and Orchid. I have no idea why they have changed their policy

Ledee mentioned to me that she was looking to set up someone in the UK to do it. Why don't you ask if they can do it instead? I'll look up the names if I can find them.

You other main options are DrG or ProfQ for the test in the UK. If you already with DrG then this might be the easiest option otherwise I would say to go to ProfQ. She only looks at uNK cells( not the full range like Ledee or partial like Gorgy) but at least you know that she is cheaper and you are helping contribute to her research.
 

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Thanks Tiger.  :) Will look into it.

Just thought the secretaries were being awkward but it must be a directive from Ledee.

- also heard going Gluten free and dairy free may reduce inflammation naturally.
Have been doing this - see if it works..... :-\
 

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Les Bluets is a public hospital.  My guess as a French Tax payer is either there were complaints or the demand is too much and they need to put French patients first.  Which frankly with the waits to see Leedee as I tried with my third IVF before going private in the UK even though I had two more free cycles in France.  France is very behind other countries with IVF so it seems not right that the leading and only innovative Doctor has her time taken up with foreign patients. 

Doesn't help you, but call her lab.  They will send you a kit with instructions for your gyno to do a test and send in.  It takes 6-8 weeks for the results.  I would assume they come with recommendations. 
 

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With regards to Time taken up by Foreign patients........

Freedom of movement - directive by the EU - state that patients across EU have the right to access to healthcare and other facilities across EU. So French patients can likewise access care in the UK if they chose to do so.

Contacting her lab is a good alternative. Certainly don't have time to be messed around in France as well as the UK.
 

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Bonjour! c'est possible qu'elle n'ait plus de place car elle a beaucoup de travail entre son laboratoire et l'hôpital!!​
Elle propose de faire une biopsie de l'endomètre au 21è jour du cycle pour savoir si l'utérus est adapté pour favoriser l'implantation de l'embryon à cette date;
Le test est simple: il faut prendre le protocole de traitement qui vous est administré pour vos transferts embryonnaires; Vers le moment où on aurait remplacé l'embryon il faut faire une biopsie et une échographie 3D. Les résultats parviennent en 5 semaines et permettent éventuellement d'adapter l'environnement (si le résultat n'est pas normal), par un protocole médicamenteux précis. Une 2è biopsie de test est parfois nécessaire pour tester  l'efficacité sur votre endomètre de certains médicaments .
Cordialement,


Got this response by email the other day..I think i can undersand most of it but can somebody help confirm !

Thanks

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I am not saying you can't access the care but if your IVF NHS cycle was delayed by months because of French patients coming in and paying the leading clinic you wouldn't be happy would you.
 

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I can't comment on the reason for Lédée's secretaries saying they can't take foreign patients. I can however say that France is a country of rules & regulations on EVERYTHING yet they are not always followed. I was in Paris this week & not one subway stop had an elevator, & then on the suburban trains which presumably should be even better set up yet not even escalators. Meaning not only hard to travel for folks with bags/luggage/strollers/whatever, but no way in the world a handicapped person could.

MollyT the letter says "maybe she doesn't have any room since between the lab & the hospital she has too much work". I know she used to do consults at the hospital only on certain days, & was in the lab on certain other days, so there would only be so many appointments available. There are a lot of things that French medical system is good at, but specialists can be horrible to see. There is a 6-month wait in my town to see an eye doctor!!

Then the secty says "She would do an endometrial biopsy on the 21st day of your cycle to see if the uterus is ready for embryo implantation at that time. It's simple: take whatever treatment you would do for an embryo transfer. At the point at which you'd transfer, do a biopsy & 3D ultrasound. The results will arrive in 5 weeks & will allow you to use an individualized protocol to adjust the uterine environment (if the results are abnormal). Sometimes a second biopsy would be necessary to ensure that the medicines have worked correctly."
 

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Teeinparis said:
I am not saying you can't access the care but if your IVF NHS cycle was delayed by months because of French patients coming in and paying the leading clinic you wouldn't be happy would you.
That is the point Tee. IVF NHS are delayed by patients across EU access the system. Happy or not that is just the way it is, isn't it?
 

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I wonder where they are coming from as I don't think they are going to NHS clinics....private clinics yes but not NHS ones.  Everyone in France I know goes to Spain, Belgium, or Greece.  I think it is more those in the UK willing to pay the NHS clinic for private that is creating the delay. 
 

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Tee- Whether EU patients are going to private or NHS either way it still causes delays and lack of appointments.

I don't begrudge them that because I can understand how desperately they r trying to hold onto hope.

With regards to IVF, couples are going to go where they feel they r going get the right help for them. That is the whole point of coming onto a forum like this. If we were all insular then no one would leave their shores. The positive thing is that the IVF diaspora are helping to change how clinics operate.

Anyway lets agree to differ. Ledee is obviously popular because she is good. Hence difficult to get hold off. More important issues to be worrying about.
 

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MollyT said:
Hi Orchid..

I just received another mail this morn from Ledee's secretary saying...

Bonjour,

Ci-joint nouvelle réponse du Dr Lédée :

Sorry,

For the moment, we can't help you.
Best regards.

Cordialement.

Lisa MATOS
Secrétariat PMA

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MolyT -thanks for letting me know. Got the same from them. Personally I would do what is accessible because of limited time. I've heard good things about Coventry. x
 

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Hi Ladies

Just to say hi and that I know some of you ;) - back on here after a long absence. I have had Ledee's biopsy twice now - but both times seen her friend gynaecologist - Dr Chantal Cornelie and she has done the basic tests with the 3d echocraphie and then sent off my sample to Ledee and her lab - so the results and feedback come from Ledee.
Ledee is not seeing any foreign patients that are not cycling at Les Bluets.
Initially in 2014 I tried so hard to get an appointment with her but met the brick wall of Lisa Matos...... They did then give me the details of cornelie - who is seeing patients.
I had 6 goes of IVF prior to the biopsy - 3 OE and 3 DD - nothing - Been to ARGC and had high cytokines etc - convinced I needed more steroids......the first time I went my uterus came back as normal.......I was a bit taken aback! I then had a hysto where they removed my septum and had a coil fitted. Due to Penny I stayed on 10mg steroids and had intralipids. I got pregnant. unfortunately I lost her at 22 weeks. If only I had stayed on clean - found out I have blood clotting issues.

I then did another 2 rounds DD nothing. SO decided to go back to Cornelie. My uterine environment is now different - TWEAK is under normal and the other one is the high end of normal - Never straightforward is it?
So recommendations from Ledee - SEX, no steroids and no intralipids and a scratch day 21 on the cycle prior. I had a hysto and a polyp removed so hoping that will do the trick. I feel naughty as not taken steroids or intralipids but willing to give it a shot.
I am thinking that the op and the coil removal the first time did the difference.....but who knows? I am a firm believer in it. The only thing I asked for and have not been given is neupogen........hoping Day 2PT that I do not need it.....

What I did to make the trip to Paris easier (my french speaking friends suggestion) was to do a written chronological history in French - so the doc can go through it. It made the initial consultation SO much easier. Dr Cornelie will say that she doesn't speak english but it is her confidence and she can and she is absolutely lovely. Just a bugger to get hold of for appointment or answers. but I just kept sending the same email lol :) The receptionists there are lovely but it does help if you have a french speaking friend that can ring and book an appointment.
[email protected]
PM me and you can include my name as a ref feral if you want.
Everyone I know that has been to see her or Ledee has got pregnant and they were difficult cases. I just hope that the magic happens for me this time.

Good luck and feel free to ask me any questions if you want :) - ps - if you reiterate that you want the biopsy on the same day as your consult because you are coming from the UK - I had a night mare the first time as I had to go for a consult and then the biopsy (I think I was the first English one Cornelie saw.....) - Now she understands :)

Aspi xx
 

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Hi girls,
I hope someone can help me on here. After so many failed cycles with no answers i found this thread and made a trip to paris around june last year. Met with Dr Ledee, she assessed my case and gave me a prescription pill to take on the month i want to do the biopsy, she also said i should email a certain lady on day 21 and make an appointment for my biopsy. She gave me her email address. Problem now is that after putting off treatment for almost a year now, i have lost the prescription as well as the email address together.  Now i want to go back for our last three blastocysts in the freezer in greece.
Can anyone please tell me the name of the pill Dr Ledee normally prescribes? can i just use Cyclacur? i have a lot of it at home.
Also if someone could please help me with the email address to contact them.
I will very much appreciate any help
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Hi hopeful - the lady (gynaecologist) you need to email is Dr Chantal Cornelie her email is: [email protected] - yes you can use cyclacur & you will need progesterone to take for 7 days prior to your biopsy. But check with Cornelie.
Good luck!
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Thank you so much Aspi, do you know if Dr Chantal can communicate in english? My french is not the best.
Thanks alot.
 

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She can but not via email or telephone - she will be understandable when you meet her, that's why it's best to have all history written out in French x
 

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Thanks Aspi
 
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