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Hi girls,

I suffer from endo quite badly, we found this out through a lap and dye.  When we started out with IVF this year we were told we could either have it lasered or go through with IVF, we went with IVF, which failed through no fertilisation, started my second cycle of ICSI the last 2 weeks and just found out its a BFN, before we start any more cycles, i was wondering if my endo could be the problem?  Have AF now and the pain every month is horrendous, my ovaries are thumping like a pulse,  the pain in my side is so painful, period heavy and clotting (tmi, sorry) and i also get a pain in my bottom, which i have been told endo can do as my womb and bowel are attached????

Would i be better and could i have the endo lasered, would this help my chances of conceiving naturally and help my eggs as on the first cycle with no fertilisation we were told the shell was too hard, so could all this be connected??

Sorry forgot to mention, have been ttc for the last 4 years, have tried numerous tables, zoladex and dupastan (spelling), none of these seemed to work.

Any advice would be great.

Kelly xx
 

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Hi Kelly,

I'm really sorry you suffer so much with the endo, although i have it i was lucky that i didn't have too many symptoms (although i also have crohns so i can't really tell which one is causing the pain!!)

I had mine lasered and got pg naturally literally as i was starting IUI. i was told that the chances of IUI/IVF being sucessful was greater after having the laser tx......it gives you a window of opportunity if you like when all the endo is cleared away.

Only you can decide what to do hun but i think in your shoes i'd go for the laser tx if they can :)

Loads of luck to you,

Much love, Lizzy xxx
 

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Hiya Kelly

So sorry to hear of how badly u have the endo but i really do empathise

I havent yet been thru ivf/icsi so i cant help with ur question

I saw my ivf who is also a gr8 endo specialist yesterday and we were chatting about this and he said Its often best to have the endo dealt with beforehand

Is ur gynae an endo specialist?? Perhaps seeing one would be beneficial

I do know of a few endo ladies who have been advised this and did that and now have healthy wee bundles!

^Cuddle^
Emilyxx
 

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Hi Kelly

It's Gill from the 2WW thread! I also got my BFN yesterday too so I know how down and desperate you must be feeling.

As you can see from my info at the bottom, I also have endo. Like you, I had treatments before deciding or "Asking!!!" the doc if I could have it sorted before I "WAsted" any more tx.

I'd had 5 I.U.Is and then 2 I.V.Fs and thought "what am I doing? Why dont I get this fixed". So, I asked the doc and he referred me for laser or "diathermy" for the endo. AT the same time, they found a dermoid cyst so they removed that. That was last October 2004. My 3rd cycle of IVF was in Jan 2005 and it was positive. My first ever positive - sadly it ended at 6/7 weeks.

I hope this gives you a glimmer of hope. I was devasted yesterday to get another BFN on my 4th IVF and my head is BUZZING wondering where I go now and how much more of this my poor body can take.

ANYWAY ....... I just thought this may help you and I too, am waiting and hoping that even though the last attempt was NEGative, that perhaps it was just down to bad luck.

I found this link today which you may find interesting, it was from this sister site "infertility world" Here it is, good luck and let me know how you get on. http://www.infertileworld.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8&Itemid=1

Lots of luv
Gill xx
 

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Hi

Kelly and Gill and so sorry about your BFNs.

I have severe endo with endo cysts on both ovaries.  This has never been treated and I've had 3 BFNs on fresh IVF cycles.  I have decided to have it treated with by an endo speicalist before we go for our 4th and final fresh cycle. 

My GP told me yesterday that there in evidence that my untreated endo would affect the outcome of ivf.  My first ivf cons said that all my troubles are outside my womb so again it would nt affect.  However, a new cons at my clinic said it does affect the outcome.  So who knows.

My gut feeling is that it does.  Endo can make us feel so crappy and ill so that alone cant be good as are general health is being compromised.

I was really dismissive and angry with my GPs comments as he thought I had IBS for 10 yrs before referring me to a cons, so what does he know.

The best thing to do is to see an endo specialist, better still, one that also deals with fertility.

Love and luck

Becca
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