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BaileyPips, the tests we had do sound the same as that lady you where talking about.  It's really strange because some clinics will do them before your 1st ivf and others wont do it until you have had repeated failures.  I was really poorly for 3 months after our first ivf cycle which started me thinking I had immune issues which can be common in girsl with endo.  Anyway, Mr Salih said not worry but I pushed for the tests after our 2nd BFN as I did nt want to waste anymore money or time.  Anyway, after being tested (via CARE Notts at Chicago), it turned out that I dont have any immune issues  ;D.  We do, however, share an antigen.  It's all to do with genes.  Each one of our embryos has a one in two chance of of being affected.  any affected embryos are still viable but my body may not protect it and will reject it.  Usually embryos contain a different antigan (from your partner) to your own.  This different antigan causes your body to form a protective sheild around it so it will not rejected.  So, if the male part of the embryo is too genetically similar then there may be no protective sheild.  This is treated with a IVIG drip which costs us about £700 a time  :(.  I also have poor blood flow to my uterus so I take Viagra and inject Heperin which each ivf....lovely.  This all bumps the cost up considerably.  Ooooop, looks like I got carried away.  Sorry for waffling  :eek:

I can assure you lovely ladies that last night I had a drink for all of you  ^drink^ and danced my pants off  ^monkey^.  Dont envy me because I still feel like crap  ^eyes^

Bye for now.

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hi becca

dancing your pants off sounds ace...them were the days eh...hope to get my dancing shoes on soon but maybe not as high with a bump to carry...isnt it wierd that they dont offer the test first off..and good job you pushed..i think there are lots of things they dont tell people and its only after hearing or talking to other people ..i always say knowledge is power...god at £700 that really will bump up the cost of the treatment takes it to 4 grand at leastplus you got all the train fares ..one of my bessies mates now lives in la and she syas it costs £8000  over there she having to remortgage her flat in london...i told her to come home for a while...oh it gets me mad...you think that they would (the goverment)give us something towards it for actually not using there resources..im going to keep that info you posted though so i can pass it on to her.....
so hope tomorrow when youve  seen the doctor ..you will feel really ready to start again and it will renew your hopes......let us know how it goes tomorrow..and how you are feeling....if you ever want to stay over and your starting in the next couple months im at home and doing not a lot so you could stay the night before if you wanted to come im  about 20 miles from sheffield ...but honestly i do mean it...would not offer otherwise
hi to everyone hope you chilling mel...
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Claire - ooh its getting close girlie!!!!!!! how many follies have you got? Hope your still planning to go off sick and put you feet up for the whole two weeks!!!! If you get really bored I could come and harass you straight from work one afternoon! The dogs will have to be locked up though as I'm a bit of a scaredy cat!!

Bailypips - Ice cream does not contain eggs as far as I know so eat away!

Mel - so Glad you got good embies and frosties too you lucky girl, the 18th seems like a long time to wait! such a shame that Sheff is shut cos they test really early! Don't worry that your on different drugs to me and bailypips I've just read on Cares Bulletin Board that they've changed their protocol with the new consultant!

Becca - Hope you review goes well honey, thanks for having a drink for me I really fancy a Glass of white wine, I don't envy you hon I know you'd swap places in a heartbeat! Really hoping that this next time will be the one for you xxxxxx

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Bailey, that's a lovely offer to stay and I may well take you up on it on the day prior to test.  That is usually the worse journey as I feel so tired with the Utrogest etc.  Thank you hun...it's appriciated  ;)

Rach, how are doing?  I bet you are feeling it (both you and Bailey) with the hot weather.  It can make you feel so tired.

Well me and DP are getting all our questions together for the cons.  I've been really bad, eating loads of bad things, a bit of boozing  :eek:.  It's all diliberate really, I just wanted to get it out of my system before the follow up apppoint so I'll be a girl from then on  ::)

Enjoy the sun shine girls  ;)

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bailey pippin ,if you"re on the ice cream make it ben and jerrys mmmmm.any flavour there all yummmy. ooh can you imagine workin in meadow hall at baskin robbins, i"D be an even bigger chunk than i am now!!!!

hello becca ,thanks for your words of encouragement. readin your info sounds like you have had a real rough time, i hope this is the one for you and wish you every success.

rach . im up for visitors and promise not to let the dogs marmalise you, you guys are so nice! i dont know how many follies i have , i always forget to ask these things ,will ask tommorow. i think theres a few cos sarah kept sayin ; another at 13 another at 11 etc. i have taken your advise and plan to go on the sick. when i get the nod that its defo for weds will go to my gps. they will go lala at work!!!!
i have stomach ache a lot and am very uncomfy if i lie in bed on my front, feel like my ovaries are the size of footballs.

well done mel, proud of you girl!! eveything crossed for a bfp. its a bit crud havin to do a home test. im not impressed. there seems to be a fair bit of conflicting info re the shut down cos a couple of the nurses and the receptionist told me that there would be a couple of staff still about for bloods etc???
i bet i will have to do a pee test too, cos im only a week behind you.

bailey and rach ,did you guys test early yourselves ? ie b4 your blood test at the clinic? last time i waited for them to tell me it was agonising. and then it was only 8.5 borderline,but then it went up.

hope you guys are havin a better weekend than i, well that wouldnt be hard.
ive also discovered that my dh has been login on here to read our posts. (HEY NOSEY NIGE!!) apparently i didnt explain the golf thing properly !!

take care guys
speak tommorow love claire xx
 

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yes bought a tub or carte dor so yummmy yum yum.... claire no idint do a test before hand i just waited for the clinic but i think i was convinced first time no chance and it was in this time found out about my nephew being terminal ..so i was like cei la vie..whatever...oh serves nige right for looking..us girls need an escape as lovely as all you boys are...he should know we all a bit tongue in cheek and we know hes caring and loving...anyway enough buttering him up now got my own to deal with ...although im lucky he not exactly  bill gates on the pc...!!

so the protocol going to change...how interesting...
becca good luck for tomorrow let us know how things go
hi rach how you been feeling...are you still feeling sick and have you started to ween yourself of the drugs or stopped yet...i tell you as soon as you stop you feel a whole lot better..not too long before your scan..
mel hope you feeling good about things
claire...you sound like you doing well and have lots...so youll know more tomorrw keep us updated..when i went sick i just looked up on the drugs packet what side effects for menopur and cyclogest and then told doctor i had most of them...he was great..anyway been gardening all day...its the most i done in weeks think i over done it...but feel much better..the pain subsided so im chilled....going to put my doggies into their beds now they love it cos its frolic time night all
love bailey pips xx

p.s do they really read this at care...its like big brother..x
 

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morning all
just to let you all know i have 22 folicles , but debbie thinks maybe only 10 were good uns . but she did say with the trigger injection a few more may grow. ooops i havent had my trigger injection in the fridge, thank god that girl posted that thread , in fact i havent had any in the fridge. anyhow got some more.
looks like its on for weds but will know more this afto.

speak soon
love claire x

ps bailey, asked debbie and rachel(? )if they read the threads , apparently not they have better things to do , its only caroline!!!  bet she only does it for the ego boosts. but i reckon they"ll all be havin a sneaky peek now
 

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claire thats great news...i bet they get bigger with final injection mine did big time...and you saw debbie and rachel...they are both my favorites..really genuine ladies..debbie was with me for egg collection just like you...glad they dont read it...
so when are you going to go sick.....
hey mel can not beleive they wont do your loods..can you not go to nottingahm? love baileypippin
 

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its me!
im soooo excited, its all on for weds, at 9.30 ,i have to use that suppository at 7.30 what a rude awakenin!!!
final jab tonite at 10.30 .
im off to the docs this afto for a sicknote ,hey rach someone must have rumbled me to you know who cos when i phoned to tell her i wont be goin into work she said "is it a gyne thing" she even wished me luck!

mel , hope your tummy ache isnt too bad , i had it really bad too the 1st time , think its the cyclogest.i agree i think your desperate for bloods too, i know i will be.

bailey ,you always seem to be on the go you make me feel quite guilty, sittin here scoffin a big bag of maltesers (not family sized i hasten to add), dont be over doin it girlie.

rach ,hope your well and lookin after yourself too

i just want to thank the 3 of you for all your support you have been fab, your all tops ^Cuddle^

becca , how did it go for you today? well i hope , lots of luck to you

bye for now luv claire x
 

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Mel - I'd make DH continue with the ironing if he's so good!!!!!!! I too had really bad tummy ache after both ETs apparently the follies that they empty fill back up with blood so don't worry its quite normal! Not that anything IVF is "normal" keep taking it easy and talking to those embies!

Bailypips - that Ice cream sounds fab!!!! I'm trying (and Failing) to be really sensible as I gain weight really easy due to pcos and underactive thyroid! so far have only gained the 7lb from injections so not doing too bad Can't seem to suck my stomach in any more though! I'm nearly off the drugs just one more week of utrogestron will not miss the cyclogest!!!! starting to feel a little better!

Claire - sounds like you've got some good follies! will have everything crossed for you on Wednesday! Do you have icsi? wondered who grassed you to "you know Who" who knows????? She can be alright at times! was very supportive through both my cycles! always wondered whether she had fertility problems as never had any kids!

Becca - How did the review go?

Lots of Love
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Claire, wow, what a lot of follies  ;D  Well done you  ;)  Godd luck for Weds, you'll be fine  ^reiki^

Mel, it's a drag is nt it?  I wondered what the clinic did with ladies like you when they closed  ^idiot^  At least you dont have to make that dreaded call to the clinic for your result....I hate that!!!!

Rach and Baileypips, hope you are enjoying all that ice cream  ;D  I'm trying to lose a few a pounds before tx as I seem to put a bit of weight on each time.

The review went well.  The cons agreed that another fresh cycle was best and to save the frosties due to my worsening endo.  So we start again in Oct  ;D He said our embryos are good and my eggs are fine as we have exellent fertilisation rate  ;D  BUT he did say untreated endo can interfere with implantation  :'(  I cried....dont know why as I knew endo girls have a reduced change.  I think I was unset because Mr Salih always said all my problems are outside my womb and the my endo would nt affect things once I got to ET.  Mr Lowe, however, did nt want me to have endo treated as it will involve losing an ovary.  I think all cons have varying views  about endo and ivf but I do know that endo girls do have reduced success.  I  thought it was because endo girls are poor responders so there are less embryos to choose from.  Anyway, I hope he's as good at getting them eggs as Mr Salih  ^bigbad^ lol.  It was interesting to hear Mr Lowe's view on the immune tests done at Notts CARE as was nt convinced about them but he did say that the immune txs do seem to have good resutls so he said he was just starting to change his mnd.

See you soon girls.

ove and luck

Becca
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hi becca
well it sounds like you had a few mixed emotions yesterday...the first thing is though that you fertilize and porduce good eggs etc so this stage has been going well...will your drug regime change for part or all of the programme...how did you feel about the docotor and his track record..i.e as nice as he is it is not a personality competition...it is almost like starting again someone not knowing you and your circumstances but then again it could be the best thing as you tried 3 times so maybe he has different ways which  just might be the best thing to happen...just out of curiousty(im sure you have already) but check his history where he has come from what where the results of hefea maybe he has been brought in by care to get better results and he is the MAN!...important thing is to be 100% confident that this time is going to work..dont have any unanswered questions...even though he not too up on the chicago test will he still treat you for this...its like some people do not beleive in accupuncture but the results are amazing...could be luck but something happening...
becca i dont know too much of what you really going  through...heres me first time and lucky...i honestly dont know the heart ache of a BFN so who am i to speak but i do understand the desire to want a baby...and i know you will want to give it your everything like all of us..are you still having accupuncture and trying naturally?
sending you a big positive hug from me and my little pot belly x

rach gald you feeling better and you stopped taking cyclogest ..bet you loose some wieght when you stop altogether ...how is work going ..dead proud of you you went to work through worst tired stage...are you counting the days to the scan..?
mel how you feeling today about things..the cycloges t really blows you up..x
claire sending you a big hug for tomorrow...hope it all goes well .....enjoy your sleepies tonite...chill girl for tomorrow..it might not be as bad this time this new guy might be the business in egg collection!!
well as for me gardening again today got lots plants to plant started yesterday but it was too hot...got to keep myself busy...missing work and people and places but its all in a good cause...14 weeks now so maybe might tell my best friend today! she gonna be mad im scared to tell her now...
love baily pippin x
p.s. how do yu find out what all the codes mean like dh bfp and bfn and tx..maybe my emails might be shorter..xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 

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Hi Bailey, you are so spot on with what you say.  I had mixed feelings as I'm a big fan of Mr Salih.  However, the protocol for our 3rd cycle was different from the 1st 2 and Mr Lowe did say he did nt want to change it.  He gave us the option of the immune tx too which we decided to go ahead with again as we've already got most of the drugs for another go.  Unfortunaley Mr Salih did nt make many notes on my increasing file so Mr Lowe was sure of some aspects of our previous tx.  You are so right about having a different cons though, I just hope Mr Lowe is as good at getting them eggs as EC is a nightmare for me (due to endo).  Sheffield have a good refund policy on txs cancelled prior to EC which is why I travel the distance.

It's so frustrating as there are no answers.  Mr Lowe did say that the best way to treat endo is to get preg....if I had a pound for everytime someone has said that to me it would help towards to costs of acheiving it, oh well.

We are going to go on hols in Sept, nothing booked yet but it would be nice to get some r and r before tx.  I'm not holding my breath any more and (as I explained to Mr Lowe) we are not continuing out of desparation, it's just something we have to do before accepting a childless future which saddens me beyond belief.  Doing IVF does help us accept things though so i would never consider it a waste of time.

Thanks for listening Bailey, you are obviously a lovely person and have an extrardinary ability to understand how others are thinking and feeling.

Take girls, enjoy yourselves.

Love and luck

Becca
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Bailypips - I hope you taking it steady with that gardening and not overdoing it! Did you tell your friend! Do you also go on Cares Bulletin Board cos some of the girls over there are organising a meet up girlie afternoon on Saturday ! Do you fancy it?

Becca - So glad your review went well, October will be here before you know it so make sure you get that holiday! Did you have acupuncture on your last cycle as thats supposed to help implantation by increasing the kidney energy! And green Tea (I know I'M obsessed with the stuff!) helps implantation as well A friend of mine was waiting to start tx and read about green tea started drinking 6 cups a day and got a natural miracle!!!! so it could help!
With regard to Philip Lowe he has worked for Care for some years at Manchester and Nottingham, if you go on their board and do a search for his name there was a really long thread when he took over and it was all positive!

Ginny - I hope your talking it steady and not over doing the cleaning 2ww is supposed to be our excuse for getting out of housework! The follies that fill with blood eventually drain themselves according to Sue I'd got a huge one on my scan, its still sore though so not sure how long it takes!  Get your feet up girlie!

Claire - 1 more sleep!!!!!!!! Enjoy your temazepam honey we'll all be thinking of you tommorrow!

Not much to report for me still feeling knackered, queasy and dizzy and work is killing me! haven't got a scan date yet but hopefully not much longer and about 3 weeks to my holiday which i really need!!!!!!!!
 

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hello girls
thanks for all your good wishes. im still terrified.
will let you know how i get on. am keeping this one brief today im afraid.

love to you all
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Claire, I'll be thinking of you tomorrow, dont you be frightened hun, they wont hurt you and when you have your happy pills you wont care anyway...honest  ;D

Mel, it sounds to me like you are feathering your nest girl, hee hee.

Rach, thanks for the green tea tip, I'll deff be giving it a go.  Should I start drinking it now ?  ^idiot^ or do you wait until ET?  I did have ac for our 2nd go and I am a big fan but I found if difficult to attend the Sheffeild lady regularly and there is no one around here who seems to know what they are doing!  I did have reflexology which certainly did me good for this last go and will give it a go again.  I would prefer ac but as I say there is noone local for me.

Well DP is despairing with me as I keep dying my hair!!  I went chestnut over the weekend, brunette yesterday and as I'm typing this I'm waiting to back to being blond againe and I've ruined my PJs...oh well.

Enjoy BB girls (if you watch it).

Love

Becca
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Morning all,
claire hope today goes well....let us know how things went when you feeling up to it xx
mel....as for the boated tummy doesn't really go down till you stop taking it...then hopefully  your belly will be growing anyway!
rach..hi guess what never told my friend...was rehearsing all day while in the garden..then i never finished gardening till 9pm...and ive been biten to death by mosquitoes....thought we had escaped them this year but they are back....got to check whether i can use histamaine cream.....oh that would of been nice sat but my chap is racing at sunderland on his bike and asked me to go with him(got to butter my mum and dad up today to have four dogs...).....did not know about care bulletin board etc..had a sneaky look just now...thats good as well that you kept in touch with some gilrls on there....are they from all over ....well have a good time hun and next time would love to..which link do you go into? Also like you said to becca it has all sorts of info like about dr lowe etc..i never knew about that...might post on there on the bumps thing to see which date the girls all used  i.e every scan i had is different date due to ivf..last one at early preg unit puts me a whole 8 days ahead..just wondered for general whether you stick with ivf date..anyway id love to meet up even if not this weekend...xx
kazz hi how are you what you been up to?
becca..oh a nice holiday I'm jealous im missing travelling lots...thanks for your kind words..was really nice...you say you went to Dr Zaoh...even if you go just go every two weeks....and have the green tea..when you go to Asia and have reflexology and treatments they always make you drink green tea afterwards..i used to think they were giving me some dirty dishwater water ...but it does the trick...its like putting good oil in your car makes it all run smoothly... Love reflexology too..I'm dying to have some treatments..going to ring the lady who rach recommended for a massage...book in for next week..for some serious pampering
anyway going for my acupuncture then have a look down eccesall road with my mum ...looks some nice shops down there..
love bailey pips x
 

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hi everyone!
                hi ginny,...the pains you are having could still be from egg collection.it can take a couple of weeks to recover from.Also you had lots of eggs removed.Try not to look on down side hun,as it could be nothing.Rest up and see how you go.Ive got my fingers crossed for you. ^reiki^ ^reiki^  best of luck xxx

          becca...glad to hear your ready to have another go again soon hun!.

  Rach and Baileypippin.....hope your bumps are coming along nicely girls  ;D.

everyone else.....hi!

                                              lots of love
                                                            kaz xxxx
 

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hello all !

guess what, 11 eggs!!!! i am made up. and it was relatively pain free  though i must confess dr lowe gave me the fentanol (super strong pain killer) after readin dr salihs notes . i think it helped i had it first rather than during, anyway phil you are the man!! ;D it was a bit grizzly when they press on your stomach cos one of my ovaries is quite high up.and i had all the nicest nurses in there too. debbie to talk to and hold my hand AGAIN!! and caroline and rachael in there too.
you nurses are the best!
the embryologist is phoning me tommorow morning, to tell us whats happened, god i hope its good news.

melanie, i had horrendous stomch pains the 1st time im sure its the cyclogest, try not to worry too much, easy said i know.take care ,take it easy , poop to the housework get your toy boy onto it!

bailey ,i cannot believe you havent told your friend, my god woman you have some willpower/stamina, i wouldnt be able to control myself.

hi rach , i can believe work is gettin you down, that place is relentless. chuck a sicky. goin anywhere good on your hols?

when are we gonna get together? im a ladydee of leisure now for a fortnight!!!

hey becca. had a chuckle when i read your post, i had my hair cut and coloured today at 3. i feel betta now.
so pleased your review went well, i tell you dr lowe is the man!!!

hello to you kazzi!

thanks again girls for your warm wishes

lots of love clairexxxx
 
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