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Update: we had a good 8 week scan for the first time ever!  So relieved and grateful.  Next scan at weeks on the 29th.
Wishing everyone well on our journeys/families.  Thinking in particular on the transfer for LittleBab and Loupom's scan.
 

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BeenaEmpathy
How did your scan go?

My transfer date is in a few weeks.
Monday was a special day, as it was the anniversary of a very happy occasion that My darling late partner, our baby and I share.
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Loupom
I hope that everything went well at your scan.
Thinking of you!


BeenaEmpathy
I did not see your last post
The site has changed somewhat and is a little more difficult for me to navigate.
I’m delighted to hear about your positive scan.
How wonderful!
I’m so excited for you.

 

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Is it true that we shouldn’t eat soya products when trying to become pregnant?
Do you think that it is safe to hoover/vacuum after our transfer?
 

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Hi Littlebab,
Thanks again for your well-wishes.
I am not an expert in this but my take on dietary things like Soya in moderation is the key.  Soya has estrogen-like compounds so if doing natural fertility it can impact natural hormone levels.  With all the hormones we ladies take for an embryo transfer, I sincerely doubt that a bit of soya will have any impact.  You can always ask Spain via email (your consultant) if you are in doubt and I find they are usually good about answering all those little questions we have. 

My take is while vacuuming won't harm your pregnancy you will need to take it easy in general the first 8-10 weeks or so after transfer.  Vacuuming would depend on the weight of the vacuum and how much you are bending over.  If you have a light vacuum that allows you to stand up there should be no issue.  If you have any bleeding or spotting at all (extremely common) then Spain puts you on 12-24 hour bed rest.  Resting often is good.  A bit of exercise that doesn't raise your heart-rate is very healthy too.  I exercise by going for long walks and then rest a lot in between.  Vacuuming with rests in between could be a healthy exercise.

The day right after they transfer I rested a lot and didn't plan much.  After that I wasn't afraid of going for walks and mild exercise like that with lots of rest and water.

Just my two cents.  Again i am not an expert.
 

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Last night I took ill about 3 hours after taking my progynova medication.
I think it was a bit of a tummy bug but now I’m worried that because I was physically sick a few hours after taking my progynova does this mean that that medication would be cancelled out.
I’m wondering how long it takes for the progynova to be absorbed into the body.
Stressed out because of this.
Thankyou
 

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I’m getting organised for my upcoming transfer.
I can’t remember from my last transfer what I brought to the clinic with me.
As far as I remember the only important thing is all of the relevant paperwork.
Did any of you take pyjamas,slippers, toiletries or anything else.
I’m a little panicked as I can’t trmember if I need to take anything.
Thankyou
 

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Good luck with your upcoming scan.
I will be thinking of you and praying for you.

Does any of you ladies know if our chances are better or worse when transferring two embryos?
Does the endometrium lining need to be better when transferring two embryos?
Thankyou
Babydust to us all.xxx
 

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Hi LittleBab,
Thinking of you today. Spain likes you to bring your original paperwork (they should tell you what you need to bring), but because you are the only one to sign the paperwork, you should be fine just showing up on the day and you can always sign anything they need when you are there. That is what I have done. Make sure you have photo ID (passport) with you to show them your identity. You do not need anything else as far as I know!! :)

Ask Spain what to do about your progynova, but I think you are fine either way (fine if you absorbed less because you were sick and fine if you take a bit extra to account for what you threw up [maybe break the pill in half] -better check with Spain though). Maybe take your next dose a little early as another option? Again check with Spain.

Yes you have a better chance of pregnancy with 2 embryos than 1 embryo. That said, it is similar cumulative chances to try 2 embryos one by one as it is to try them together in one shot (it is just more time, money and effort to do separately). Hope that makes sense. My understanding is that the requirement for lining is the same either way. 6 mm minimum average thickness but they like more if they can. They have had many pregnancies with less. My lining tends to be somewhat thin at just over 6 mm average (thickness varies a lot though and I did have 8 mm in some places), but my thin lining did not stop me. I think every woman is different and what is good/normal for each woman is different. It will thicken and change a lot during pregnancy anyway.

Don't be afraid to ask the doctor all your list of questions (bring the list if you want so you don't forget).

Best wishes today!! Baby dust and safe travels on your adventure. Hugs!
 

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Update from today's 10 week scan:
We have one good piece of news on the 10 week scan is that the fetus grew the exact right amount and still has a heartbeat. However there is a new issue that surprised everyone and concerned the doctor a bit: the heart rate is significantly too fast. Fetal tachycardia apparently?

Because the next scan would normally not be until 16 weeks, and the clinic I go to locally is not licensed to scan beyond 10 weeks, they have referred me to a specialist (expert in fetal heart) for a scan sooner.  I do not know when the scan will be.

The research I have done says that the issue of fetal tachycardia may resolve on its own, may require medication during the pregnancy.  Sadly some cases have a bad outcome but most have a good outcome.  We are hoping for the good outcome.

We are hoping for a good next scan (unknown date). 
 

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I am sorry to hear of the findings of your 10 week scan, I am praying for you that the outcome will be a positive one.
You must stay positive and strong.
Have you had any further news from the fetal heart specialists that you have been referred to?
I have been thinking of you a lot and was shocked to read of their findings but very hopeful that this will resolve itself.
I have truly been praying a lot for you and was thinking of you while I was at the clinic on Tuesday for my transfer.
I believe in love and prayer and that if we stay positive I am hopeful that this will resolve itself.
I have asked my angel to look over you and help in any way that he can.
I am a believer!

I have had both of my remaining embryos transferred.
My lining was 9. Something or other, I can’t quite remember as it is hard to take it all in on the day. My progesterone was something like 14.99 I think, but they said that it was amazing. My two embryos looked different, one was noticeably larger than the other. I don’t know if you in all of your knowledge, could guess what that could mean? My mum was with me and was crying during the transfer as this is a very emotional journey. We both where crying.  Like everyone of us ladies, now I must just stay as calm as possible and be positive and of course pray to my babies father who is guiding me from heaven.

Have you ever tested at home early?
I have decided in myself that I will test on the 1st anniversary of my darling late love which is 3 days before my clinical blood test. I tested at home 3 days early with my last ivf which was positive and gave me my amazing baby boy.
So this is it for me, I have honoured my promise to my love and am doing my upmost to carry on with our plans and dreams. Now, I will pray and pray and am staying positive, I have done all that I can and I know that my angel is guiding me.
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Hi Littlebab,
I've been thinking of you too. So glad for you and your journey and that your mom was able to be there with you. A lining of 9 is amazing! It's OK that your embryos look different as far as I understand. They are graded differently. I'm excited for you and keep you in my thoughts and prayers as well. Your story is so unique, you are such a strong and inspiring person by what you do and I think you really do deserve the best outcome. I totally tested early with one of the "first response" types of tests that are more sensitive. 3 days early should be fine, but of course every pregnancy is different and you might get a false negative as in some pregnancies it could be too early. No such thing as a false positive I don't think, so hopefully you get a positive.

I've done some more reading on high fetal heart rate and calmed down a little since the 10 week scan. It doesn't have to be bad news. Part of it was the way my clinic here delivered the information poorly. My husband and I both found that the Canadian doctor was unnecessarily pessimistic in delivering the news, she not well informed of the situation and she was unscientific in her speculation of a possible poor outcome for no good reason (not evidence based). Our impression is that the Canadian doctor's ego and her sense of competition with the Spanish clinic did seem to be very much involved in her poor attitude. She actually said: "if it doesn't work out this time you should come back and do things properly with us here [in Canada, with less medication]". No words to describe her unprofessionalism and ego of this doctor. It is not the first time hearing comments like this from her, completely discounting the opinion of other doctors (e.g. in Spain) without taking the care to be informed of the reasons for the differences in practice.

Trust is a huge part of the process. I trust the doctors in the Spanish clinic. I trust the doctors in Canada less. While no doctors are perfect and I try to take any good advice, no matter where it comes from, I do feel a greater trust for the doctors in Spain. The docs here have not done anything to understand my specific situation or build my confidence in the protocol they recommend (they just do the same protocol for everyone regardless of their medical details). They also don't have the same rapport with their patients. I just feel much better about the level of care in Spain and the caliber of the doctors and their individualized protocols.

Thankfully, in speaking with Spain, the doctors there are not worried about the heartbeat (they tend to be more optimistic) and say that the heartbeat is totally normal. While I trust the Spanish clinic much more, I think everyone is just a bit premature in their conclusions and speculation.

I believe that the truth is that no doctor (in either Spain or Canada) has a crystal ball & knows the answer but you will never hear "I don't know yet, we need more information first." So I'm cautiously optimistic but waiting for more information as I believe that is the most realistic mindset to have. I prefer to live with the truth of the situation (wait and see) rather than speculation that the doctors are doing.

The fetal heart specialist I have been referred to in Canada is an OBGYN and they won't see patients until they reach the 12 week mark by ultrasound dating, which means I have my appointment on August 13th which is a few days after my week 12 dating. Hopefully everything will be fine (and what I've read seems to indicate a good outcome is more likely). However, if there is a heart issue, it may be treatable either in utero or after delivery and that can be OK too. Hoping for the best and the strength and positivity to live a full and happy life between now and the next scan (and thereafter).

Baby dust to both of us!
 

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Hi BeenaEmpathy
I am so releived to read your email, you have given me a lot more insight into your babies condition. It makes a lot more sense to me now, I have also experienced some doctors with ego issues in the past both in the fertility field and other. To read that this does not have to be doom and gloom has lifted my spirits greatly, my inner soul tells me, that this will resolve itself. I pray.
I also have the upmost respect and trust in the Spanish doctors, my late love was a genius man in his own right who had done a lot of research into fertility and ivf and where in this world we should have our treatment. He had complete confidence as do I in our doctors in Spain as he found that they where many of the most experienced and knowledgeable ivf doctors in the world. It is now the 4th August so your appointment is coming up soon and then you will have more answers. You must stay confident and positive, take joy from the beauty around you, the earth, the trees, the birds, the kindness and love from those who care for you and your family. I would  be grateful  if you could send me a private mail to give me a little more of the history of your ivf journey as I reconnected with this site after you had begun your journey. I am much more excited and releived now for you, thank you for sharing, it has meant a lot to me.
Baby dust to us both my love, my angel will be watching over us both.
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Hi BeenaEmpathy

I haven’t been on the site as I’ve been very emotional over the last week.
I did my test at my clinic here today and they have come back saying that my pregnancy test was negative but that my progesterone levels results weren’t back from the lab yet.
I tried to contact Spain to no avail so I phoned my clinic here in Ireland who where to send the results to Spain.
Since then, my progesterone levels where emailed to me by my Irish clinic and where 50.3.

What does the progesterone level mean and why are they important when the blood pregnancy test determines a positive or negative?
I’m confused?
I dont know what to do about my medications so I am just going to carry on with the medication until I speak to them Monday.
You are so wise and knowledgeable.
I would love your opinion.

 

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Hi LittleBab,

I'm so sorry to hear the result is negative! You deserve only good things in this process. I had everything crossed and all my best hopes for you! :'(

The big test important test is the quantitative betaHCG test. Besides just saying negative, did they give you the quantitative number for the betaHCG level (for example a level of 1 is very different than a level of 16 [a 16 you would want to re-test a few days later], but both could be considered negative)? I believe the progesterone test is just to determine if they need to adjust the progesterone dose at all (ultrogestan). Staying on the medication until Monday does not hurt you. I can see how you will want to talk to Spain and follow their instruction. That is a smart thing to do.

Did you test on the day Spain told you to test? If you tested on the correct day and your result was a true negative then I'm afraid the result is negative. I imagine you will need time and space to have this settle in and decide what you want to do. I cannot imagine this experience for you and the emotion of it, but my heart goes out to you. I know it may be too soon to think about, but please know that you do have options if you are looking for another pregnancy. I believe in you. I believe in your determination for your family plans. In my humble opinion this does not have to be the end of the road for you if you want another child. The method might not look the same as what you had thought it could, but I believe that another child is still a possibility for you, if desired.

Big hugs and don't hesitate to send me a private message (or another public post) if you want to chat further.

By the way, thank you for your kind words about me.

Big hugs and nothing but admiration for you and your journey!
 

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We just had some sad news at the 12 weeks scan yesterday and the subsequent appointment with the fetal specialist.  There was no fetal heartbeat on the ultrasound and there was no growth since the 10 week scan two weeks ago.  The doctor diagnosed this as a loss.

We are sad and disappointed of course.  As usual for my history, there were no symptoms over the past 2 weeks, so it was a bit surprising.  The doctors do not know the cause.

We are sad, however there is nothing we can do at this time. 

I wish I had better news for you!  I hope your journeys do not have this heartache!
 

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Hi everyone, I'm new around here and just wanted to quickly present myself. I'm half German, half British, currently living in Berlin for work, I am now 37, hubby 38, I was 34 when we started. Diagnosed with Low ovarian reserve, we did 2 rounds of IVF in the UK, ended in 2 BFN. Very heartbroken... We are now looking to try ED in Spain. IVF Spain is one of our top 3 clinic options so far, so I'd really like to hear your opinions about them. Reviews are really good but it's such an important decision I want to be extra sure before making a first appointment. Hope you can help me... This is such a difficult journey... Really nice to meet you all.
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Hi, welcome to the board. I think a lot of people are using the ******** support pages.
If there’s anyone who is still reading from earlier last year I had posted about problems with bleeding.
It all turned out well and I gave birth to Oscar on December 5 2019.
Good luck to people still going through the process.
 

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Hi all
I’m back after 3.5 years and starting my DE journey for a sibling this time for my daughter!  I have 4 frozen embryos @ IVF Alicante and I was due to go out last year but covid has stopped me.  I’m now at the point where I’m thinking I just need to get started and I’ll have had my second vaccine by beginning of June.  Spain have said I can send over blood results, scans etc... to them so they can start my medical plan.  Questions for anyone who knows...Anywhere in East Midlands I can get bloods, scans, Spanish prescription (when I get it) changed over?  Private clinics are proving difficult as they don’t want to know unless you are doing everything with them.  I think my NHS hospital will do them if I pay which is great but waiting for confirmation so I’m looking up back up plans.  I just want to get started as I’ve so missed the drugs (not) but this time round I’m premenopausal down won’t be so easy I’m sure.  I’ve not had a period for 1.5 years.  Fingers crossed for me please!
 
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