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Thanks Riley!

Oh ladies,
It's bad news Monday for sure.
So sorry Bouje, Briss, Klik and Susie.

Klik - try and stay positive - you've back up eggs and embryos which is overall a strong position - sorry I know that doesn't ease your pain right now but you do sound strong.

Bouje - maybe the IUIs might work. If our sperm was good, I would have done at least 5 IUIs before moving to IVF.

Briss - I'm so sorry but you have beaten the odds before and you know your body and what works for you and you will do it again hopefully - it's just timing.

susie - sorry also, was that a HPT or blood test?

Rocket - yes, I have a very late test date - 14 days past egg collection, 11dp3dt - there is no way I will last until then and I want to know if I've had an early chemical.

BTW - re the acupuncturist recommendation, I managed to get an appointment with Susanne in the Zita West clinic on Manchester Street on Saturday. She played the Zita West post transfer CD and the accupunture itself was excellent - she had a technique of putting the needles in that really wasn't painful at all. Think she mentioned it was more Japanese accupunture. Would highly recommend her.

Re binge out TV girls, I'll write out a list of Netflix recommendations later which might help for a bit of escapism until things get easier. Sending lots of hugs and thinking of everyone. Xxx
 

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Just making a note of the new thread

Re binge out TV girls, madmen - can't recommend enough ladies, it saw me through some tough times.
 

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Good luck, Tily.

My period came yesterday evening and I have now scheduled a scan for unmedicated IUI. I do have a kid from a natural pregnancy and unmedicated IUI isn't much different, so if we can just get the timing right, it really should be able to happen. I use donor sperm after all.
 

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Susie am so sorry for you as well! Look after yourself.  ^hugme^

Briss, yes it was 66iu at 13dp3dt or 16dpo. It increased to 200iu 48 hrs later.  I was so happy!  But it didnt end well. I started bleeding at 5w3d and it dropped back down to around 65iu, then 13iu within a week. That was the only ever implantation I had 😐 this said my friend's baby was from an equally low beta. But I don't want to give you falls hope. Just wanted to say that I personally would never test 10dpo considering my experience.
 

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Susie, Bouje, Briss and Klik really sorry to hear your bad news. I hope you take the time you need to come to terms with it and prepare for whats next for you. Please take care of yourselves. x

Bouje, good luck with the IUI preparation.

Tily, hope you are doing well?

Rocket, hope the follicles are growing well.

5thtimelucky, did you have a scan today?

To the ladies I didn't mention by name, hope all is going well.

Sending love and support to all. x
 

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bloods confirmed negative beta :( it is 1 so as negative as it comes even for 11 DPO. i do not think there is any way from here to a positive even for a late implanter. still have a lot of cramping, starting to annoy me. no progesterone from today so hoping AF comes on 15 dpo as normal and we can try again.

when I saw a negative yesterday my first feeling was not disappointment but exhaustion. so strange but the thought of going through another EC and all the logistics is just so tiring. I also need to persuade DH, taking time off is super stressful for him. DH is blaming me that I did not look after myself properly and got sore throat with temperature :( of cause now that we have a child things are different and I can no longer take a break for TWW and relax and do not lift anything heavier than a tea cup. I do lift my baby and a buggy over and over, I have not slept for more than 1-2 hours at a time for over a year now but I was still hoping with a good egg it will implant no matter what. am i delusional?

sorry ladies for the self absorbed post, just trying to come to terms and figure out what to do differently next time.

so much cramping is really suspicious I never had that before.

katkat, so sorry about your early miscarriage so cruel

so many disappointing news on this thread this week. there must be something positive coming our way soon
 

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I'm sorry Briss and sorry that you are feeling so fed up with it.  It must take a lot of emotional and physical stamina to keep going every month, with all the logistics involved each time.

Afm - my follicles are 17, 17, 16, 16 and 15. My lining is still 5.5 bit tripling nicely. I have progynova to add to my oestrogen meds now.  Egg collection should be Thurs or Fri. I'm hoping for Friday. Xx
 

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So sorry Briss. It's never nice to hear the news officially. Definitely don't overthink the 2ww. It just wasn't your golden egg - nothing you'd done.

Rocket - those follicles look really promising! It's good to hear some positive news.

I've got my next scan on Wednesday, so as long as my one follicle keeps going then hopefully I'll be in for EC no.2 by the end of this week.

On a completely different note, the Dr today was quite rough (if that's the right word!) doing my scan and my left side has felt tender/crampy all day. Anyone else had this?
 

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Oh briss so sorry you're felling that way. I don't think you lifting a buggy has anything to do with it or lack or sleep, but it may not have been a good egg (or sperm). I can imagine that it must be so exhausting. Does your and dh office know that you're doing ivf and therefore can take time off each month at short notice? My company still don't know (but some of my colleagues do) and am glad about it but it's also super stressful

Rocket that's brilliant news, they're all so close together! Will.you have another scan tomorrow then or just trigger tomorrow or Wednesday?I'd be keen to know at what size they trigger you. What cd are you on?

5thtime good luck for Wednesday!
 

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Briss I'm so sorry  ^hugme^ You did absolutely nothing wrong, there are all sorts of reasons for it not working but it definitely won't be down to you being ill or looking after your little one. So hard to pick yourself up and start again.

Bouje and Susie really sorry to hear about your bfns too. I hope that IUI works for you next time Bouje

Rocket, they're are so close together, that's perfect! Can I ask how long to down-regged for and when you added in menopur etc? Great to hear about lining too. Will you have another scan before EC?

5thtimelucky, keeping my fingers crossed that your follicle makes it to EC. Pretty sure we'll start on my end of March cycle do DR will start 21 days after AF.

Hi to everyone else xx
 

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Briss I'm so sorry  ^hugme^ You did absolutely nothing wrong, there are all sorts of reasons for it not working but it definitely won't be down to you being ill or looking after your little one. So hard to pick yourself up and start again.

Bouje and Susie really sorry to hear about your bfns too. I hope that IUI works for you next time Bouje

Rocket, they're are so close together, that's perfect! Can I ask how long to down-regged for and when you added in menopur etc? Great to hear about lining too. Will you have another scan before EC?

5thtimelucky, keeping my fingers crossed that your follicle makes it to EC. Pretty sure we'll start on my end of March cycle do DR will start 21 days after AF.

Hi to everyone else xx
 

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Hopeful - I down- regged from day 21 on Synarel. Started meds on CD 4. I started on 225 Gonal f. On CD 10 I went up to 300 gonal f as I wasn't responding much.  From CD 12-17 I've been on menopur and seem to have been responding much better. The test will be how many eggs I get and what quality they are.

Katkat - I'm going in for a scan tomorrow. My follicles seem to be growing 1 mm a day. I'd like to do EC on Friday. What are people's thoughts on optimum follicle size at trigger?

Thanks for the good wishes she's everyone. Xx
 

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Hi Rocket, thanks for letting me know. Seems like I have a longer down-reg. My clinic also gives norethisterone from day 19 for 7 days to trigger a withdrawal bleed - is that the same as others? Did they just switch to menopur or are you on combination? I've just checked back and my 4 mature eggs came from follicles ranging from 16.3mm to 19.4mm the day before trigger shot if that helps at all xx
 

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Thanks Hopeful! x
 

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Briss - you couldn't possibly have done anything to change the outcome. Please recognise this as you internalising blame for something that you cannot possibly be responsible for. Will you please google all the IVF research papers on bedrest after ET and they found that the women who were more active had higher pregnancy rates. Also, the human body is designed intelligently enough to sustain this level of movement. Unfortunately, it's just bad luck. 3 out of 4 normal pregnancies fail to implant and women are not even aware they conceived. Please please please stop blaming yourself.

rocket - wow - what beautifully even sizes - I have follicle envy!!! Mine are like headless chickens literally growing in every direction if they do decide to grow at all!! My sense re timing would be to go sooner rather than later as you've been stimming quite a while and you don't want to overcook them. They are technically mature at 16mm I think and the trigger will give them another blast of growth so I would trigger tomorrow night and collect on Thursday morning. Xx
 

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Wow, I'd never seen Riley's sig before--that's amazing! Makes me sad that someone I know with blocked tubes had them clipped...

Tily: that's true! I'm the woman with all the backups (and huge hesitation in every using them!) Cool you got acupuncture with a Zita West person! How are you feeling? Are you able to pamper yourself at all? By the way, I don't think 11dpo is particularly late for testing. CRGH made us test at 16dp3dt! (Also, see my note below for Briss)

Briss: it would be unlikely to have such a late implantation, but... in my last pregnancy at 11dp3dt my beta was 42. Like katkat's mine was a m/c but we only found out at 9w, after the heartbeat. Was a trisomy, so probably unrelated to late implantation. So... still some hope, perhaps... but yeah, not looking so promising...

katkat, Gill: how are you?!

Rocket: those follicles look amazing! FX'ed they all yield mature eggs at collection! Must be coming up--good luck!

Hopeful: exciting you're ramping up to cycle again--good luck!

AFM: doc didn't call yet, still sitting on my hands waiting to see if he'll want me on Lupron (hope not...)
 

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ladies, thank you so much for your support and words of wisdom! when you are in the middle of it all you just lose perspective. I also came down with something last night, really high fever out of nowhere but feel much better today. Munich told me to stop progesterone , they think late implantation is unlikely so it's officially over. today I am just sad mostly, we ve been trying to get to ET stage since November. I finally had good oestrogen levels and it was so promising but not meant to be. bring on the next cycle.


Rocket, your follicles look really good. if your LH is under control then you can probably wait until Friday but i would be ready to trigger today i think.

5thtimelucky, keeping everything crossed for your follicle to grow nicely all the way to EC this week. is your follicle on the left side? i often feel pain when it gets closer to ovulation and when my dominant follicle gets bigger, during the scans particularly before EC it's quite sensitive. maybe it's just that?

katkat, thanks! we are keeping IVF a secret from everyone so no one at work knows. i just feel less pressure that way. it may not work so i do not want people to feel sorry for us for years to come.

tily, thank you for mentioning that research on bedrest after et, somehow it makes me feel better.

klik, thank you. Ive also googled negative beta on 11 dpo hoping for any positive outcome but could not find any, there were a few ladies who had negative betas on 11 DPO and positive later but none carried to term for some reason
 

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Good morning! Never a dull moment in the world of IVF!  I really thought I'd figured it all out but I seem to be getting a different surprise each time..so plan (in my head) was clomid cycle with retrieval as usual on day 14 or 15 (had already booked my 'usual' day 13 flight as it falls.on  a Saturday and so so expensive), then clomid cycle again next month and transfer in May. Now the reality looks like this: my cd9 scan showed 2 x 20mm follicles!! And 2 x 10 and the rest less than 10 (total of 10 follicles). So those little evil ones have sucked up all the juice! Anyway after a stressful hour decided to go ahead with trigger on day 9! And then I spent the afternoon at work to book super expensive flights, taxi, train, coach (of course no flight to Brno so have to fly to Prague and take a 2.5hr coach ride at 7am and hope.to get there in time for ec).  I really don't know if it's worth it. Am so scared that these 2 follies are empty or something like that. Then the next cycle will fall over Easter now so I can forget about it. And moving it to May is not possible as I have a 2 week work trip to Cape Town and Namibia. Grrrrrrrrrr! Sorry just had to vent

Just modifying to add, after a really healthy month my DP will now only have about 5 hours sleep before sample day and will.have abstained for just 2 days as ttc yesterday just in case a follicle pops (did that before the scan)  :mad:

Rocket - you're triggering tonight then? Good luck!
 

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hello ladies. First and foremost Briss, Bouje and Susie, i'm really sorry about your BFNs.
and Briss please, please, please do not beat yourself up. You haven't done anything wrong. It's only natural to try to blame ourselves as this gives up some sort of false hope that it could have happened it it wasn't for us but that's not true. It's only a numbers game. I know numerous girls who were lifting their toddler while pregnant with the second one and had no issues and a lot of other girls who were very careful but did their daily duties and still miscarried or didn't fall pregnant. So please NONE OF IT IS YOUR FAULT.

Rocket - amazing news on those even sized follicles, lots of luck for your upcoming EC.

Katkat - oh that's just typical, isn't it??? Let's hope the two big ones will not be empty and based on this month not so successful planing you might have a shot in April. It only goes to show that you can't plan anything and although you think now that EC would fall on Easter it might not.

^wave^ to everyone else, 5thtime, tily, klik, hopeful, ttc... etc. :) , sorry for the lack of personals, the thread is just so fast paced i can't keep up.
 
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