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Oh sunshine that's such fantastic news that you got 3 frozen!

Ross, wishing you a speedy 2ww!

Briss that's really interesting to know what the sperm was like after thawing, I've never asked about it. What was the motility like before thawing the sperm again?

Babyhopeful hope your 2ww is going OK.  I have to say I am not really stressed at all as have written the cycle off before it had even started. I keep on forgetting that I'm supposed to be in a 2ww

Helen isn't sore boobs due to high levels of estrogen/ imbalance of hormones?

Afm talking about an imbalance of hormones, I've had night sweats this cycle for the last 4 days, I had them before but I cannot remember when. I think it was when I did my ERA when i used estrogen.  But on this natural cycle I didn't take any estrogen so I wonder if it's due to the utrogestan. But I usually take far higher doses of cyclogest and don't get night sweats....  Before anyone gets excited, on my only.bfp I didn't have night sweats either (instead I got acne and vivid dreams). Could high progesterone levels cause this or maybe just this particular brand (utrogestan)? Or would it be due to a sudden drop in estrogen causing this (but it wasn't a stimulated cycle and my estrogen was normally high before ovulation)? I am only taking 400mg of utrogestan per day whilst usually I take 800mg cyclogest plus injectables. It's just disgusting waking up drenched ...

By the way my zita west from amazon seem to be the right ones with folate in them - it was just that the image on amazon showed the wrong ingredients (folic acid)
 

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Ross: wonderful news, you're PUPO! Keeping everything crossed for a BFP! We're not mobile, I'm afraid to move sperm samples to another clinic, so I'll stick with Reprofit, triple check everything and continue to be a pain in their neck. They didn't even mention DE, as I told them from the beginning that we're not ready for that.

Sunshine - having frosties is wonderful, even if they are not top quality. Many B or C embryos became healthy babies, so you can definitely to hope for the best! I found something about the Letroozle protocol here, it may be useful - http://www.ivfmd.net/services/aggressive-ivf-protocols

LXP - I hope you get great news on Friday! 6 follies is great for low AMH, do you mind sharing how low it is? I would give anything for 6 follies next stimulation!

Babyhopeful - I hope you 2ww is going great, don't worry about symptoms, many ladies don't have any and they get their BFP. Or they feel the imminent arrival of AF, and when they test, she's at the South Pole :)

Kat - sounds like hormones causing the night sweats to me. They do cause changes in the way we perceive temperature, so it could well be this.

Briss - frozen sperm can misbehave, but, as you know, everybody blames the egg. I just read on a different FF thread that fertilization failure could be due to a reduced capacity of the sperm to activate the egg. I also know that there is a clinic in Ghent in Belgium that offers assisted oocyte activation, I'm not quite sure of their conditions, as, in my case, due to advanced age, the zero fertilization we got with our only egg was probably the egg's fault. But it's an interesting direction, since no one can really tell if a gamete is chromosomally competent or not just by looking at it.
Are you using ubiquinol or normal coQ10? I know that there is more than one source to extract it - one of them is tobacco, and that is not good.

AFM - My negotiations odyssey with my dr. goes on, as I'm approaching the dreaded day 20 when I'll start estrogen priming. Still undecided what to do - microdose flare or short antagonist. I guess I'll decide when my dr. tells me how many antrals I have. I stood my ground and did something probably stupid and useless- I asked my dr. to allow me to bank oocytes if I continue to get one egg each stimulation. I'll do modified/naturals if the next one fails. I know older eggs don't thaw well and it may be a terrible waste, but, crazy as it is, it's our last chance with OE. I literally threw everything at this cycle - myo-inositol, 4mg, 600 ubiquinol for 2 months, aspirin, vit D, Omega 3, folic acid 5 mg, euthyrox....I'll start blood thinners with stimulation, as it may be beneficial to have better blood flow, I have some thrombophilia mutations.
 

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Sunshine122 - that’s great that you’ve got some frozen embies. I really wouldn’t get hung up on the grading. Our embryologist told us that she is continually surprised by the outcomes after transfers and basically anything can happen!

Briss - My tsh was above 3 when we first started trying and I pretty much think that was one of reasons why we didn’t have any success naturally. Now I think it’s more to do with my ageing ovaries. It was only last Jan that both my testosterone and tsh returned to more normal levels after I stopped taking bc in 2015! Weirdly though my last ivf was the best in terms of egg numbers and that was after a month of bc. I hope that the change of coq10 brand will help things settle down.

LXP - that’s great to hear that there may be more follies than expected! I’ll keep my fingers crossed that EC goes well.

Katkat - I’m getting night sweats too!! I’m going to bed feeling cold and waking in the middle of the night feeling like I’m on fire. It’s been going by on since the end of last week and I can’t keep up with all the pjs I’m going through. I’m blaming the cyclogest at this point. We did a few natural cycles about 18 months ago with cyclogest for luteal phase support and I remember feeling pretty sweaty then! It’s good to hear that you’re not feeling stressed at all by this tww. I def think that’s the best way to be. I’m a bit more relaxed than my first cycle, but I know I’m still going to be massively disappointed with a bfn, even though I am expecting it. I’ve only made loose plans for the weekend in case I need a duvet day to just feel sorry for myself.
 

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Morning Ladies

Thank you Babyhopeful and Annakay.

Annakay my AMH was 4.4 in the summer and in November 2017 was down to 2.7. I was 35 in December.

I hope the 2ww continues to be stress free. Are you trying visualisation? My accupunterist says it's really important but I'm struggling with it. I do use mindfulness apps which I find help me relax and obess a little less....
 

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Struggling to keep up with you ladies :)

rossssss, congratulations on being pupo! Great result! Did penny do hysteroscopy before your cycle? Also was your dh on antibiotics?

Katkat, utrogestan is the Czech one? It's my least favourite progesterone. I don't know how to describe it but it feels very hard on the body. Its also the one that screwed my hormones for the following cycle. I'd switch to cyclogest if you can. I did used up my stock when I was pregnant but it was the end of the 1st trimester so didn't really matter
 

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Hi ladies,

This threat is moving super fast!

Briss- I am taking  Sports Research High Potency Vitamin D3. In regards to why testing opks, this was an odd because I didn't test from day 7 because I haven't ovulated for the last 3 months and it's so hard to keep testing and getting negative all the time. This cycle I didn't want  to test but when I felt the symptoms on day 15 I decided to test, then when I got positive I couldn't believe and I thought I will do again next day, but next day I  went to work and had a crazy busy day and forgot about it, so I tested on day 17 and it was still positive that's why I got very confused, but I think on day 17th lunch it was on its way down but still high enough to show as a positive.

LPX- Great news that you have more than you expected and I hope EC goes well :) Which app are you using? I struggle with visualisation but I am using heartmath for mindfulness and I really like it.

Sunshine- I agree with AnnaKay as I read in  so many posts in others threats about B or C embryos becoming  healthy babies, so lets hope for the best!

Babyhopeful - I am sorry you are expecting for the worst, but please dont give up and maybe try to expect for the best. I know is easier said than done but whatever happens you know we are all  here for you.

Hello to everyoen one else. I will try to cath up with everyone later.

Big  ^hugme^

 

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Thank you, Briss... Thank you all :) This is my first Embryo Transfer and I'm literally terrified how would I(we) accept BFN ...

Briss - No I made one hysteroscopy in June 2017, so Penny said its ok, not neccessery, just aqua scan and yes we were on antibiotics - for a month. If I have a positive result will have to start with Azythrsomycin again

Babyhopeful, Katkat - I dont have night sweats, but I feel like got a cold. And I can't sleep !!! Every hour go to the toilet and than just can't ... at 5 a.m. totaly wake up ... I'm taking Prednizolon 5mg daily and may be this is a side efect from it.  The other strange thing is bloating... alot - looks like already pregnant. Just hope it is not overstimulation, but will see.
Wish you high b hCG levels :)

AnnaKay - I have thrombophilia mutations too, and I was on clexane injections during stimulation - once per day, but it was very important to take only 7 and then stop. After ET started again. No aspirin during stim, after ET.

LXP - waht is this "visualization"?

Fingers crossed for all of you
 

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Visualisation as I understand it is where you relax into almost like meditation breathing, and then imagine you already have what you want. My acupuncturist also said to talk to relative that have past away and ask them to help you achieve you goals. But I just cannot do this I don't think. I do talk to my follicles when I am walking the dog to tell them what they need to do next - mad I know. So far I don't think anyone other than the dog has heard me........

Mac78 I am using Relax Lite and Mindful IVF. I find both relaxing although Relax Lite is my favourite. There is an app I found called Visualization for success but I don't get on with it very well.

I guess all this helps to positive mental attitude... 
 

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Hi ladies,

I am just back from my scan and I could do with your input as I am very confused right now ^idiot^

So  I am on day 21 and I wanted to confirm if I ovulated last week, according to opks my peak was on day 15, but I came back with more questions after my scan. The report says 'no dominant follicle seen' only antral follicles, which I have so many of them and this is very unusual, so I have 5 antral follicle on the right all in the range of 4mm and 7mm (all very small), but even more surprisingly was my let ovary, which is the smallest and normally  don't have anything at all, it was showing  3 antral follicle from 8mm to 11mm, so slightly  bigger than the ones on  the right. The sonographer said she couldn't confirm I had  ovulated  last week and she said it was like a puzzle for her because in general the Digital Ovulation test are quite reliable. She said I should hope for the best as she thinks that is quiet possible that  I had a dominant and maybe it's fertilised. I would thought she would be able to see if that was the case.??

The good thing is that  my lining is back to normal - showing normal and uniform measuring 6mm. I really think that the issues with my lining back in November was because of raspberry leaf tablets.

On Sunday I felt so dizzy that I had to stop reading my book and I couldn't even watch TV, and this morning I felt so tired that, even though I slept through all night, it was super hard to get out of bed. :(

I have an appointment next Monday with Gynaecologist from NHS, nothing to do with IVF, it's to  discuss what type of HRT I should be using to help me cope with hormones fluctuations because my last prescription was almost 1 year ago and I only used for a short time.  I am hoping they will do some blood tests so t I can maybe understand what is going with my body right now.
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Hi all, will try and do some quick catch ups as super busy, off to Cardiff in a minute

First off, Sunshine - congrats on your three frosties! I can't remember whether you ever got to blast before, but I think that's a great sign, regardless of their grading, and remember that plenty of lower graded blasts make babies... I think it's pretty arbitrary. And if Create thought they were good enough to freeze, that's also good news. I'm hopeful for the next two cycles in your package, it would be fantastic to bank enough to ensure a baby (or perhaps more than one!)! If you want to ask them about a letrozole protocol, this is what I did, it doesn't get you many more follicles though - I got around 5-6 each time. I don't think it would improve quality either, the only thing that I found that may have was taking 600mg ubiquinol every day (300mg in morning and in evening), and having loads of protein during stimms. Ubiquinol, like most supplements takes a while to have an effect though.
CD2-6: Letrozole 5mg (= 2x2.5mg tablets, morning)
CD2 or 3 onwards: 150u Menopur, evening - got pushed to 225u on the last cycle for the last few days of stimms
CD7ish onwards (or when largest follicle is 13mm): add 250mcg cetrotide

LXP- congrats on all your follies, that's such good news! It sounds like you'll have a nice hoard for collection in a few days time :)

Rosssssss, congrats on being PUPO! Hope the 2ww goes quickly for you, and that the visualisation techniques work out. I like the Calm app for meditating at night and helping me get to sleep.

KatKat and Babyhopeful, hope you are doing ok on the 2ww too, not long now!

Hopeful, so lovely to hear from you and that you are enjoying the NZ sunshine. I'm very jealous as it's been cold and gloomy here. I think the move is going to be a great thing for you both, as you said, just getting away from the rat race for a while is really refreshing and gives you time to consider what really matters in your life. I hope that you manage to find a specialist in NZ, or a teleconsultation to get some advice on your lining. Given Klik's experience and your similar stories with MC and ERPC, it would be good to have some reassurance, or further investigations done.

Klik, I'm so very sorry to hear that the diagnosis is one that you've been dreading, but as you said, at least you have some answers now. It is worrying that everyone missed such a serious issue before! I hope that you manage to get the surgery scheduled as soon as possible so that you can start to make plans for the next step. It's just more waiting and more frustration. At least you didn't waste any of your precious embryos... it doesn't even bear thinking about....  I had no idea the chances of Asherman's post ERPC were so high, I still think I would have gone ahead with it though as at the time I was in no mental state to contemplate any of the other alternatives.... just hoping and praying that everything is ok with my lining. I'll certainly be asking Dr N what he suggests when I see him later this week.

AnnaKay, hope you manage to get clarity on your protocol before you have to start. It's so shocking the service you get at some of the clinics, but the other girls are right, the more you do this, the more you realise you have to question them as they see so many people that they don't have time to get your individual clinical picture straight. I used to be intimidated when I first started, but not so much anymore.

Hi to everyone else, and hope all is going well. Thank god it's nearly Feb, Jan is just the grimmest month.
 

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Mac, i’m not sure if she would be able to see if you have a dominant follicle that fertilised, it all sounds a bit of a mystery, but keeping everything crossed for you.

Shady, thanks for sharing your protocol, I’ve been taking ubiquinol for years now though not as much as 600mg, will up my dose. Hope your appt goes well with Dr N.

LXP, I always chat to my embryos after transfer willing them to stick and telling them about how loved they will be if they become my baby, so I think I’m a bit crazy too. Has anyone tried the IVF belief cd, theres 3 separate parts for down reg, stims and then 2ww. They are meant to be hypnotherapy but i’ve never heard more than about the first 5 mins of them as they send me to sleep (though apparently thats fine and it still works in your sub-conscious).

Create have been a bit rubbish, been trying for the last few days to get my meds ready for my next cycle which could start any day (have decided to try back to back if no cyst), but they havent been responding to emails or returning calls. Finally spoke to Dr this afternoon who said they don’t use letrozole in the clinic as its not one of their protocols and was really quizzing me on why I want to try it. So shes going to speak to her colleagues about it. Bit strange as I thought they did it routinely there.

When are all the PUPO ladies testing? I’ve lost track a little with dates but hoping for good news xx
 

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Mac, unfortunately it depends on how good the sonographer is. I find most can't distinguish corpus luteum on a scan . What i do in situation s where I have doubts weather I ovulated is progesterone blood test about a week after ovulation in your case day 23-24?. Checking your basal temperature is an excellent option. As well but you need to start in follicular phase to catch the temp rise
 

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Mac, I agree with Briss, a progesterone blood test can tell if you ovulated this month or not. It's not too late, usually drs recommend this tets 1 week after the suppossed ovulation day (usually day 14) so you could still go and have it these days.
 

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Sunshine: An 8-cell plus two blasts! Amazing!!!! Well done!!! I really don't know if Create often use letrozole--perhaps another RE there does, and your RE just doesn't know about it? Is there a reason why you prefer letrozole over Clomid? If Clomid give you bad side-effects, it's best to avoid, but if it doesn't it tends to be marginally better at recruiting more follicles... Maybe they tend to work with Clomid instead of letrozole? No idea, really...

ross: congratulations on being PUPO!!! The 2ww is difficult. It's hard to know where to pitch your hope... in my experience I'm either 100% hopeful or 100% hopeless. Anyway, hang in there, and good luck!!!!

Helen: in my limited experience, sore boobs has meant high progesterone, but if your AF has started that should mean your progesterone has dropped... I hope you get some relief soon!

Briss: did you take your bloods before or after EC? I feel like E2 shouldn't drop before ovulation has actually occurred, but in point of fact I don't know that to be true. My last E2 numbers are always from trigger day, so I really really don't know... Have you ever measured E2 on collection day before?

Blue: Dr Ozturk prescribes 1g Vitamin C+ 2x400mcg Vitamin E for lining, but stopping on transfer day. As for other remedies, I've found Floradix 2x/day to be seemingly effective... Also, I've heard Brazil nuts (selenium) rather than walnuts, and pomegranate juice, and red meat and lentils.... Some women also swear by acupuncture, but it's really not my thing!

LXP: those are some great results! I hope things continue to move well!!!

katkat: low oestrogen or high progesterone could cause you to be very hot, I guess... Your oestrogen ideally should not be that low in your 2ww... As for progesterone, I can't explain it... Are you taking it orally, whereas normally you have pessaries?! Maybe that makes a difference? Not sure--I just hope that, despite your doubts, it's a great sign...

Anna: FWIW, from what I've seen, the worst microdose flare does is limit you to just one egg... It's not like you get nothing, or like you have to wait a month before your ovaries recover... So, it's not too terrible and it's true, some DOR women respond well to it. You just don't know if you're one of them until you try it...

Babyhopeful: really hoping you're not disappointed on the weekend!

Mac: I'm sorry--it's really upsetting not to know where your body is. I hate it with a passion... Echoing Briss and Anna, if you want to take matters into your own hands, you can try to measure at least progesterone, tomorrow if you like--if it's low, then you're at the beginning of a cycle; if it's high, then either you have a cyst or you're at the end of the cycle; if it's in between, you're ovulating now (I don't expect that to be the case, though). Hopefully it will be low and then you will be free to use these amazing antral follicles!!! (Personally I'd measure oestrogen as well, because it's good to get a baseline, but it's expensive and not totally necessary so you can skip that...)

Shady: yes, I do feel very lucky that CRGH by total coincidence would only do mild stims with banking, and refused fresh transfers outright. I wasted 4 cycles at Cornell, trying to do fresh transfers, but then my CRGH cycles gave me these precious embryos that are just waiting for a good home... I know what you mean, not being able to bear the alternatives for m/c... My cousin and a friend both had horrible experiences naturally passing miscarriages at roughly the same stage... I really didn't want to do that, either... And anyway, Asherman's has pretty identifiable symptoms: thinner lining and/or less flow during AF and/or extra pain during AF. So if you had it, you'd have reason to suspect it. And, most likely, you won't. It's enough suffering, already. Really. I hope the rest of your journey to having a baby is unbelievably easy!

AFM: Dr Trew's team's chaos continues... Hammersmith hospital couldn't help me, in the end, so I called 92 Harley Street and they said they were trying to book it for Feb 19th. That would be next cycle. One more wasted cycle. I asked if it could be sooner and they said, "that's the date we're trying to book." I mean, if it's the NHS then I'd feel bad trying to get customised service, but I'm paying up the wazoo here! You'd think they'd at least explain why they have to be so inflexible! Grrrr... And to make it worse, my best friend, who lives in LA, is going to be in France for just 4 days, leaving on the 19th--I'll have to cut short my trip to see her so I can be back in time. Ugh!
 

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Klik, it must be so frustrating, when you just want to get on with a cycle and then these constant delays! I hope they miraculously can move the date to an earlier one for you. My night sweats have suddenly completely stopped at 8dp3dt. And i haven't been doing anything differently all of a sudden. Very odd!

Ross bloating is quite common after stimulation and then the hcg trigger shot but should go away with time. Just drink lots of water and eats lots of protein

Briss yes it's the Czech progesterone. I've only used it because it expires soon and I didn't want to touch the better cyclogest for this not so hopeful cycle.  Why or in what way did utrogestan impact the next cycle for you?  I have changed to cyclogest last night. What dosage so you usually take on your natural cycles?

Afm I've had night sweats from about 5dp3dt to 8dp3dt increasing daily and including a mild headache. Now it's totally gone. Of course despite Briss suggestion I haven't tested yet and regret it as am wondering now that it's stopped if it meant anything after all (?). When I do the blood test (yes!) possibly tomorrow or Friday then even if there had been something going on then it won't show anything at this late stage arrrghh! My otd isn't till Sunday actually
 

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katkat2014 - hi  :)
I have the same OTD - 04.02, today I'm 10dp3dt - this is included the date of ET 22.01- is it correct???  I have the same question ... should I check before the OTD or not :) should I make a blood test or hpt?
 

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Hi ross, I decided to do a blood test in the end as it is clearer - if you can afford it go for a blood test and you can do it a couple of days earlier. Actually I just remembered that  Dr Hana said otd is 14dp3dt, but that is for hpt only. For blood tests she said I can test 12dp3dt (Friday). For me, I never saw a second line on a hpt so I am terrified of them. I only wanted to do a hpt this time to save money on the blood test and because I think I will know the outcome anyway... But I changed my mind this week, so blood test it is :) I am thinking of doing it tomorrow only, because the clinic I do it with it takes them so long to get my results back and I am worried that if I test on Friday they won't tell me till Monday! if your embryo transfer was on day 3 and it was on 22nd January, then today you are 9dp3dt meaning 9 days post a 3 day transfer.
 

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Katkat, I usually take 200x3 of Czech or German progesterone or 400x2 of cyclogest. Please don't worry about testing if you do bloods anything above 0-1 is likely to mean chemical but I hope it's all irrelevant because you will get a good strong beta :)
 

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Thanks briss. I am starting to get my usual pre-AF back ache ... Just hope taking the progesterone for so long hasn't screwed up my next cycle/follicle growth!

Tilly - are we meeting Saturday in a week's time? I've forgotten to bookmark the doodle poll site
 
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