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i was wondering my df had a  ^sperm^ count done in 2002 and the dr told us that it was ok.
we had to have the results put on paperwork for derriford this week and it says 48% motility and 7% morphology.
is this realy ok !!!!!  ???
thanks for your time ladies. i am sure you can understand our concern
 

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Thumper,
I'm certainly not a nurse but I also think the total count comes into the equation as well. I think if you have fantastic motility & morphology levels you still may have a problem b/c of a low overall count, and vice versa. My DH had a count done and our GP and NHS fertility doc said it was OK. But then a private clinic said that it was not that great. Anyway, we had another one done a few months later and the quality was much much better - he had been taking vitamins every day and generally taking better care of himself.

B/c yours was done over a year ago, I'd get another one done just to be sure.

The World Health Organisation have published "normal" values when it come to sperm analysis. You can see them on http://www.chclibrary.org/micromed/00064780.html

Good luck
 

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Thumper... I read your post with interest as a similar thing happened to us! We've been ttc for 2 yrs. Conceived naturally but m/c in Feb 03 at 8 weeks. Eventually in Oct 03 our GP agreed to run some tests. DH's results came back as sperm count about 120 mill, motility not great, morphology 98% abnormal. GP rang up DH (after hours) to give results and said that although morph low, as DH had high count there was no need for concern. At the time I wondered why GP had taken trouble to call after hours then and explain everything so thoroughly?

In Feb 04 we went to a pvt clinic and had a second test done by an embryologist who specialises in sperm probs. Results came back as over 200 mill count, morph not great and 97% abnormal forms. She'd also analysed abnormal forms and diagnosed globozoospermia (sperm are missing enzyme on head needed to penetrate egg). She told us that despite the high count we have a minimal chance of natural conception and ICSI is our only option!! She felt DH's prob was probably genetic in origin but recommended diet and lifestyle changes anyway for 3 months to see if it made a difference. It has as DH now has 75% abnormal morph!!! And today we started our first cycle of ICSI!

Anyway... my point is this... GP's are general practitioners, not specialists and sometimes their diagnoses and advice are well meaning but misguided. Many gynaecologists on the NHS also do not have specialist knowledge of fertility as they've "specialised" in other areas . So...I would definitely get your DH's sperm checked out agin by a specialist either on the NHS or privately. I feel that although it wasn't much... we wasted time (and emotional angst) by not having a proper test done first!!

Anyway good luck!!!

Callie xxxx

 

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My DP had good count and motility but poor morphology. From the research we have done this means that although there are lots and they swim well the chances of the right shaped sperm (and this does matter!) getting into the egg is reduced significantly, hence reducing conception chances.

All men have abnormal forms in their sperm but anything greater than 85% is considered below average. I am not an expert but it looks as if your DP falls into that category. You had the test some time ago - it may be worth getting another one done?

Our wonderful GP referred us to our local clinic initially as my cycle was so irregular after I came off the pill however after tests, we were told we needed ICSI because of DPs problems in October 2003. We did a lot of research before jumping in to it and as a result we changed a lot of things about our lifestyle:
Follow Dr Marylin Glenville's conception plan - buy her vitamin supplements, flax oil tablets and extra vit C for both of us.
Switched to organic where possible and cut out processed foods.
Reduce caffene and alcohol intake
DP takes Pycengocol supplements

We did this to increase the chances of our first treatment being successful as we were lucky to be funded.

We have just had a positive test this week after our first treatment, how much of this was down to luck or to our lifestyle changes we dont know, but we have both been in very good health! The embryologist did tell us that DPs sample was very good and our embies were all grade 2s and grew well.

Best wishes with everything
LindaJane




 

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LindaJane said:
My DP had good count and motility but poor morphology. From the research we have done this means that although there are lots and they swim well the chances of the right shaped sperm (and this does matter!) getting into the egg is reduced significantly, hence reducing conception chances.

All men have abnormal forms in their sperm but anything greater than 85% is considered below average. I am not an expert but it looks as if your DP falls into that category. You had the test some time ago - it may be worth getting another one done?

Our wonderful GP referred us to our local clinic initially as my cycle was so irregular after I came off the pill however after tests, we were told we needed ICSI because of DPs problems in October 2003. We did a lot of research before jumping in to it and as a result we changed a lot of things about our lifestyle:
Follow Dr Marylin Glenville's conception plan - buy her vitamin supplements, flax oil tablets and extra vit C for both of us.
Switched to organic where possible and cut out processed foods.
Reduce caffene and alcohol intake
DP takes Pycengocol supplements

We did this to increase the chances of our first treatment being successful as we were lucky to be funded.

We have just had a positive test this week after our first treatment, how much of this was down to luck or to our lifestyle changes we dont know, but we have both been in very good health! The embryologist did tell us that DPs sample was very good and our embies were all grade 2s and grew well.

Best wishes with everything
LindaJane
Hellol I wonder what you attribute your ^bundle^ TO. Just going through some old files which have bben successful. How much pycagonal did your DP take?
 

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I know this is quite an old posting now, and hope things have gone well for you, Thumper.

I'd like to get in touch with Callie, as my husband also has globozoospermia and we're starting our first course of ICSI at ARGC this month. It would be really helpful to hear about your experiences - it is such a rare condition. Sorry for hijacking this topic - it's just so hard to find anyone who has experienced this! x
 

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LindaJane said:
My DP had good count and motility but poor morphology. From the research we have done this means that although there are lots and they swim well the chances of the right shaped sperm (and this does matter!) getting into the egg is reduced significantly, hence reducing conception chances.

All men have abnormal forms in their sperm but anything greater than 85% is considered below average. I am not an expert but it looks as if your DP falls into that category. You had the test some time ago - it may be worth getting another one done?

Our wonderful GP referred us to our local clinic initially as my cycle was so irregular after I came off the pill however after tests, we were told we needed ICSI because of DPs problems in October 2003. We did a lot of research before jumping in to it and as a result we changed a lot of things about our lifestyle:
Follow Dr Marylin Glenville's conception plan - buy her vitamin supplements, flax oil tablets and extra vit C for both of us.
Switched to organic where possible and cut out processed foods.
Reduce caffene and alcohol intake
DP takes Pycengocol supplements

We did this to increase the chances of our first treatment being successful as we were lucky to be funded.

We have just had a positive test this week after our first treatment, how much of this was down to luck or to our lifestyle changes we dont know, but we have both been in very good health! The embryologist did tell us that DPs sample was very good and our embies were all grade 2s and grew well.

Best wishes with everything
LindaJane

Hi LindaJane
I don't know if you are still posting on this site anymore as I can see this was a very long time ago! I was hoping that if you were you could update me on your situation as it sounds very similar to mine with regard to your initial problem leading to you DH's. My DH has similar SA and im not sure if we will end up having to go down the route of assisted conception of some sort!
Would love to hear from you.
Thankyou
 
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