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Hi Peeps, I was looking at other threads posted by members, and I clicked on a link someone else has provided and got some good information there, I am interested in finding any articles or information about male infertility, my DH has no sperm at all, and I feel that there is very little research into male factor,, more so female infertility, I would be grateful if anyone has any info, or links for me to look at.

And once again I would like to thank you all for replying to my other threads, xxxxxxxx ;D
 

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Hi Cheeki,

Can't help with links, but have a few theories myself. My dh has normal count but 96% abnormal which we think could be caused by one of two reasons:

1. He was born about 6 weeks prematurely
2. He had mumps at 9/10

Having been a 'bit of a lad' when younger (and never got caught) and went through 8 yrs ttc plus 2 unsuccessful IVF cycles with his ex-wife (although she eventually had a natural pg - and yes, DNA testing showed their daughter to be his! ^censored^) we can rule out anything from adulthood.

I vaguely remember someone on the other site I used to frequent (ivf-infertility) saying their dh had no sperm due to having meningitus.

Sorry, bet neither bits of info have helped but you never know.

Good luck for wherever you're at.



Love Fiona xxx
 

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Hi Cheeki

My dh has a zero sperm count also. We never had him investigated though as it was out of our budget to do so or to have ICSI, so we moved straight to donor IUI which has been incredibly successful for us. I haven't really looked into possible causes thoroughly, but understand some theories are:

Genetic disorders (this is an interesting one for us as his brother, who is married, has no children and is 39, but it's not something we would discuss with him to find out if that's through choice or not - he doesn't know about our children being born via donor either).

Mumps in childhood or adulthood

A blockage in the testicles

Working with chemicals (the most likely cause of my dh's infertility - he worked with heavy chemicals when he was in his mid 20's)

Sorry, but I can't help with links for you to check out, but good luck with your hunting. I hope you find some answers.

J
 

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Thanx both of you, for replying to my post. I have been surfing the net and have came across another possibilty ,, it is called Klinefelters syndrome. Not too much info on it though, but enought to figure out that my dh has most of the "symptoms" of it, the main one being azoospermia, and we have realised that although dh had a physical examination of his "bit n bobs" and 3 semem checks, thats all, no other tests, so I think it's time to go back and visit our GP. Maybe get this checked out, thanx again, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 

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Hi Cheeki and everyone,

I'm pretty new here. I don't know if I can be of help to you.

You mentioned that your DH has no sperm at all, did this happen only recently? Since you also mentioned that you had m/c and ectopic before, so that means he has sperm before. By the way, what is FET?

My DH problem is that he has sperm but very low count and low motility. And it fluctuates very often. He is taking medicines and vitamins now and we will see if we can proceed to IVF in the next few months.

I think he better go see a Urologist though I presume that he already did as you are ttc 11 years now.

It's really nice to log in here and chat with people who can understand how we feel. I'm glad that I found this site.

Good luck to us all and God bless!!!
 

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Hi ilovebabies,

Welcome to FF, im sure the girls on here would appreciate any support you could offer them and likewise, they will give you support and friendship, which i think helps us a lot on here while we are going through IF. All of the girls are so supportive on here and will give you guidance when they can.

Hope your dream comes true and take care

mel

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Hi ilovebabies.
I too would like to welcome you to FF ;D ;D.

This site is excellent for support and chat and well lots of things ^chuckle^ ^chuckle^.

I'm sure you will feel very at home here soon, it doesnt take long to get in the swing of things.

By the way FET - Frozen embryo transfer ;)

Take care and Good Luck

Love Jo
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Hi Cheeki,

Sorry I've only just noticed this post!

I note you have been have been trying various fertility treatments since the age of 18, namely with Donor sperm, as a result of male factor infertility.

I have always known that I would need fertility treatment, right from the beginning, when I met my dh at the age of 17. He has Cystic Fibrosis (CF), and one of the many problems this causes is 'infertility'.

It wasn't until my dh went to a CF conference in 1992 that we then had our first glimmer of hope of becoming parents. It was at this conference where one of the lectures was on 'Male Infertility' having CF - for the first time, it had been established that although the males were classed as infertile - they were actually in the majority of cases producing sperm within their testes, but they had part of their tubing was missing - hence causing a natural vasectomy and not allowing the sperm to come out.

So, they found a way to extract the sperm direct from the testes, either direct from the epidermis or by taking testicular biopsies. It was at this point when they then established the viability of ICSI - injecting one sperm into one egg.

Armed with this wonderful news - we went to see a fertility specialist in 1993, only to be told, no such technique existed and our only route to becoming parents would be through using Donor Sperm - something my dh just could not and still can not get his head around.

So rather despondent, we came away, but still believing that our time will come - it was obviously just too newer technique to have made its way either into the UK and definately down to Bristol!

As it happens, dh's health took a turn for the worse and so we were not even able to contemplate starting a family for several years.... However, he had a double lung transplant in 1996 and shortly after this, there was an article in our local paper about the first baby born by using ICSI, within Bristol - so although we still knew it would be a few years before dh was properly back on his feet, we knew that there was definately now more hope to start our own family.

We got married in October 2000 and started back on the road of trying to finally get our dream. This time when we were referred to our Consultant (though this time we're talking going private) - there wasn't a wall put up - suddenly everything could go ahead..... Starting with Dh having an operation to retrieve sperm direct from his testes.

This operation was carried out in June 2001 and to our relief they managed to collect enough for 7 vials - so say enough for 2-3 ICSI cycles - however, 5 ICSI cycles down the line, I am now 14 weeks pregnant!

Sorry, that this is so long winded - but I was trying to give you some background, as it looks as though you've been trying for a baby, since we first hit our brick wall! So I'm not sure whether anyone has tried to fill you in on other possibilities now - In otherword, when you first started out - then yes, Donor sperm was definately your only option, like it would have been ours.

However, these days, things have moved on and there is a very very low % of men, who do not make any sperm. The main problem is it actually getting out.

Now I know your dh doesn't have CF - but there are other genetical reasons for such blockages. One of them would be if he were to carry a certain CF gene, which although doesn't give you full blown CF, does cause infertility (CBAVD - Congenital Bilateral Absense of the Vas Deferens). If this is the case - then the same procedure that my dh went through is an option. I am obviously not trying to give you any sort of diagnosis - but do thing that further questions need to be asked.

What I would say though, is as you are already aware, fertility treatment is not cheap and ICSI doesn't come any cheaper and does have some additional charges added to it.

I have just read back over a previous post you sent to Peter though - it seems like there was quite a major cock up on your last IVF cycle with the NHS - so I would definately do what he suggested and persue that for another attempt!

Sorry to have waffled on - I wish you all the very best.

Love,

Sue ^reiki^ ^reiki^

 

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Hello again everyone,

I was really surprised to receive such a warm welcome from you. Thanks a lot!

I know one day our dreams will all come true, but only God knows when. Just keep praying and have faith in Him.

Congratulations to you, Sue. All the hard works finally paid off, I'm really happy for you. Your story is inspiring.

Well, we were supposed to have our first IVF ICSI Jan 2003. DH has low count and low motility in previous semen analysis and ICSI is our only option. I started getting injectibles but only for 2 days as DH suddenly got 0% motility. DR suggested that we proceed using the MESA (not sure of the term but that is what Sue's DH had, extracting sperms directly from the testes). As the odds were already against us and not to mention the cost, we decided to abandon it and wait till DH motility goes up. We knew that something must have gone wrong with DH's condition as he never had 0% motility before. We later found out that he has elevated prolactin which means there is a micro tumor in his pituitaty gland. He is still under medication now.

By the way, the good thing is that we went back to the IVF center March 2003 and DH has about 10,000 sperms stored in their freezer. We are not as fortunate as you guys are, in my country, IVF is not an everyday procedure. They arrange it by batch, every 2 months. We are supposed to start this month when AF arrives but just last week, the center informed us that it was cancelled due to SARS!! I felt really bad as i was already pretty excited and was really hoping that through this IVF our prayer will finally be answered but it seems that the chance at IVF and having a baby is evading us. Anyway, I am ok now. Trying to console myself that maybe it's not the right time yet, God may have other purpose for it.

In the meantime, DH is still taking his medication and vitamins everyday and we might go see his urologist these days.

Cheeki, sorry about my previous post, after reading Sue's post, I now know that you had donor sperm in your previous inseminations. I still wish you good luck, maybe you should really consider Sue's suggestions.

Thanks again, everyone. You are all so nice and I feel better reading all your posts here. They give me hope.

Good luck all!!



 

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Hi Ilovebabies,

I am so sorry to hear of yet another set back with your treatment - it is so disheartening and frustrating when you psyche yourself up for treatment for hurdles beyond your control to then be thrown in your way.

Many thanks for your best wishes - You will get there yourself, I can feel the determination in your posts, so with perseverance your turn will be here before you know it.

I'd like to wish you all the very best for when you do get started again - hopefully this SARS scare will disappear as quickly as it appeared!

Take care,

Love,

Sue ^reiki^ ^reiki^
 

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Hi Ilovebabies

Thanx to both of you for posting, and sue ;D ;D ;D ;D congrats, hope you are well, and go on to have a happy healthy pregnancy and a lovely wee bundle :-*

Hubby went back to see our GP and he dismissed the Klinefelters syndrome right off, because his testes are of normal size, and when the GP looked back on the urologist report, he summerised it by saying that dh's testes are normal, apart from the fact that they do not produce sperm, azoospermia, so there is no blockage, and he rules out any chromozone abmornality, (tho he has never been tested for any) ::) so ,,,,, we have no other option other than donor. Dh is great about it though, and after this long I really know that he has no hang ups regarding his infertility.
As for my last cycle, aye, big problems but no one wants to take responsibility, after posting that messgae I foned the hospital liason officer and she doesnt hold out much hope either, but promises me that she will look into it first informally, not holding out much hope there though :(

Ilovebabies, welcome to the site, great place and really lovely people here, all in the same prediciment, and all experiencing the same things. Such a pity about your tx being cancelled :( and I know myself the waiting is the hard part. You can't controll these things, but here's hoping the SARS will be cleared up quickly and you can start looking forward to the next tx, good luck, and try and stay +ve, speak soon, xxx Cheeki

PS Sue you don't waffle, ;) :-*
 

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Hi Sue, Cheeki and all,

I hope everyone is well. So nice to hear from you again. I admire your DH, Cheeki. He is a strong man. Just like my DH, he has come to terms with his infertility. Though mine would still feel bad sometimes. He says he feels sorry for me. I always tell him, we are in this situation together and one thing for sure, I married him because I love him. All of these has made us closer. We just have to hang on together.

The IVF center told us to contact them in June. So I really hope we will have good news (IVF resumes) by then.

What's the problem with your last cycle, Cheeki? Hope it isn't very serious.

Sue, how many weeks pg now? Take extra care of yourself and eat lots of fruit.

Thanks again. Good luck and God bless!!! ;)
 

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Hi girls!

Just been reading your posts, I know what you mean Ilovebabies when your DH feels sorry for you, I get that all the time from my DP. He had a vasectomy 9yrs ago and has two children from previous marriage. But I tell him I love him and will do anything no matter what.

We were both told about Donor, but I could see my DP face, he was a little upset. They told him as he might be borderline whether they could get any ^sperm^ out. We did have a little money to do it privately as NHS would not fund it as he had vasectomy. If I could not afford private, I think Donor would have been the next option for me, not sure how DP would feel.

They did manage to get quite a lot from him, which meant it was now my turn go through it. ^shocked^

Since going through it all, even though it has not worked this time I would have no probs going through it again. I will not give up.


SUZ
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PS. Hang on in their girls, I am positive it will happen and well done to those who have those little miracles to prove it.
 

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Hi Suz,

That's the right attitude!! Me too, I will never give up. :D

So when do you start IVF again? I wish you good luck and keep up the fighting spirit!!

Take care!!! :-*
 

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Hi ilovebabies

I just finished my first cycle in March, had two put back which on day of test my af showed up.

Have 3 frosties left, will get them put back in as soon as af arrives.

Is June when you start your treatment? Is this your first?

Suz :)
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Hi Suz,

My AF arrived yesterday and we should have started treatment today if it wasnt cancelled due to SARS. We are now waiting, the center told us to contact them in June. Hopefully, it would have resumed by then. I'm really praying as this is our only option. Yes, it will be my first.

So, your treatment will start soon. Tell me of your experiences. Good luck.

Take care.
 

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Hi ilovebabies

I know this might sound odd, but normally I dread my af arriving as for 7/8 days I suffer a migraines really bad ones, and terrible mood swings.

While on this treatment, they told me at the start that, I might feel really down, and may cry a little, slight menopausal syptoms. But I was the opposite which they were quite surprised when I told them that I wish I could take the medication every month as I was in a really good mood on them without any migraines and bad mood swings (it was bliss apart from the injections everyday)!!

Awaiting af to arrive before I can have my FET, I am 2 wks late already which has worried me, I am going in for scan tomorrow morning to see what is going on, I am guessing this is one of the side affects to the medication where your whole cycle is all out.

Hopefully next month you can start treatment, Let me know how it goes, you can even IM me.

Suz

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Hi Suz,

I'm pretty sure I will have the same feeling as you when I start tx. I know the injections will hurt but I guess knowing that all that will pay off when you become pg matters the most. :D

I understand you won't be getting injectibles anymore with FET. So when will they do the transferring? In mid-cycle?

Take care and good luck!!! ;)
 

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Hi ilovebabies

I have decided to wait until I am regular before FET is put back. At the moment I am 3wks over due since my medicated AF. I was a bit worried and went for a scan last Saturday, but they said due to the medication I have been on it is normal for my first natural AF to be late, they said I have cysts on both ovaries, but they are small and that most women have them without even knowing, as they disappear when AF arrives.

I have decided to wait until I am every 28 days again, then have my FET.

Sorry to hear you can't start this month due to SARRS, where in Asia are you from?

Hope things get better for you soon, let me know.

SUZ :)
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HI, My H also has Azoospermia and has had the operation to try to find spem in the testicles somewhere! but unfortunately it was negative. We have come to terms with it but it is devastating and we are going to go to donor iui next year.

Good luck with everything, it is great to have this place for support

Paris
 
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