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Hi - I'm new to FF.  Have been reading the othre threads to try and get some answers, but could do with some help here!

We have been ttcing for a while and have recently had two SA tests and blood tests for myself.  We just got the results back and hb has been told the samples indicated 0% normal sperm and 10% normal sperm, and the 'acceptable' no. is usually around 15%.  The doc has referred him to a specialist, but we have been told there is a long waiting list.  We are considering paying privately for this, but haven't been told what the specialist can do and what they recommend.

Could you offer some advice as to what would happen at this stage?

Also, my blood tests indicated that I ovulated but one of my hormones is higher than it should be, possibly indicating pcos, so i have to go for a ultrasound scan to check out the possibility of ovarian cysts.

Only just got this news yesterday, so are both a bit stunned as we sort of 'assumed' everything would be fine and we just hadn't been trying long enough.  I am 33 soon though, hence my eagerness to start a family.

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Mrs B,
I'm sorry but I don't know a way to improve morphology. Wish I did cause that's our problem too!
You don't say what specialist you have been referred to. Make sure you get a referral to a fertility specialist and try to find out what the situation is for funding in your area by contacting your PCT HQ directly. If either of you have children via previous relationships there probably wont be any NHS funding so you could skip the wait and start looking for a private clinic now though you may find that your local NHS hospital do 'self-funding' (as in our case).
A friend told me that infertility is long and steep road, but only a road, people are either made to be parents or they are not and that if you are determined to be  parent you will be which ever path you go by.
Hang in there girl, you can make it.
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My DP had two sperm tests at an nhs hospital which came in with 0% normal forms! We then went to male infertility specialist urologist privately in london and he did another sperm test which showed a totally normal result. we had already started with a private fertility clinic - so the results from the urologist helped us re-consider our options. i would definitely suggest going to a urologist - there is something called a varicole (sp?) which can harm sperm - infact lots of reasons for poor results which is why you should go to a urologist.
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Hi :)

We discovered from a SA that my dh has low count. poor motility, morphology etc. (The only difference is that my dh's IF is due to a failed reversal).
In our case we were referred by a urologist (who performed the reversal) to a gynecologist (paid for privately but with little waiting time). The gynecologist mentioned the possibility of us doing IUI, so my dh had another test done- the "swim up" test to see if we would be eligible for IUI. Unfortunately dh failed the swim up test, so we were recommended to procede directly to IVF (ICSI) which we did.

I had loads of blood tests done before starting IVF, and like you I had one hormone higher than it should be (FSH) for my age. The following month I had a re-test, and that hormone went down but another hormone went up (LH). Like you I was told this was an indication of PCOS, but after an ultrasound it turned out I didn't have PCOS afterall.
Like you I ovulate and have a regular cycle, which doesn't really fit the symptoms of PCOS. After worrying about this for months I was finally told by the IVF consultant that my slight imbalances were nothing to worry about, and hopefully it will be the same for you.

I know it's hard to take in at first. I was numb when I found out my dh had problems and possibly me as well, but at least now you know, you can decide where to go from here and what to do next.
^goodluck^ whatever you decide to do :)
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Thanks for all your advice.  We suspected an absence of a 'wonder drug' to deal with morphology, despite the doc going on about hormone treatment.  We have been taking the range and dose of vits suggested by MG since the weekend, to see if that improves our chances.

Hb has been referred to a specialist at Liverpool hosp, we don't even know who.  He has been told at least a 5 month wait for an appointment.  Neither of us have had children.

Eva04, we are suspicious about the range of variation in the morphology results, and maybe in 4 months time after having taken the vits, we may ask for another SA to identify any improvement.

Re: pcos, I have none of the symptoms at all, in fact af has been as regular as clockwork since I stopped taking the pill 10 months ago, and clearly last month I ovulated.  Kelsey - have you been advised that clomid (or any other drug) is effective in lowering fsh or lh levels?  It sounds like they vary from cycle to cycle.

This site is proving very informative, and supportive, knowing we're not the only two people in the world going through this, when evey woman I see seems to be pg!
 

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Hi girls,

Just thoughtI would pop in with my story for you.  My dh's original morphology was 1% follwed by another two one at 7% then 8% both of which they said we could have treatment.

I put dh on a multitude of vits and minerals and 5 months later we repeated the test at another clinic and the morphology was 35%! with over 80% motility which originally was 46%.  So it can help!  We will still be having treatment in April however as I'm sure now its me causing the problem now.
Hope this helps.

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NN

Can you post the vits you took here as an example

We managed to move from 2% to 7% with vits and acupuncture

DH took

MG Fertility PLus for Men 3/day
Coenzyme Q10 30mg  3/day
Linseed Oil  1000mg 1/day
Vit C 1000mg 1/day


Ta

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Hi Mrs B :)

Good to see you've made some progress now, though 5 months to wait to see the specialist is a long time. You must be feeling frustrated.

My dh and I both took the MG vitamins and just like Clare and NN, my dh's SA results were greatly improved after taking the vitamins and eating organic etc. So there must be something in them that helps!
We went from being told that our only hope of conceiving was ICSI to being told "never say never" to trying the old fashioned way!
The only reason I'm not so confident on this is those slight hormone imbalances I have. I haven't heard that clomid helps this problem, but will definitely look in to it if I have another IVF failure. So thanks for the tip, as it was something I hadn't thought of 8)

^goodluck^ with everything !

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Hi Mrs B

I dont know if this is relevant to your situation but you mentioned that someone had suggested hormones.  Was that for him?  My BF has been on hormones to stimulate sperm production for the last 18 months and at the last test things were going in the right direction although still not enough for our liking.  The thing is, if he is short of the necessary hormones your GP might be able to get the blood tests done before you go to see the specialist which could save a bit of time.  Im not sure if you said how long you had been ttc but in my experience the feeling that the world is full of pg ladies comes and goes.  Sometimes its awful and at other times it fades.  I hope this is a wee bit of a help.

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Hi Mrs B

Just thought I'd let you know that my DH has been for another SA to see if there has been any improvment after taking the Vits for 6 months. Just waiting for the results.

Will keep you posted.

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Thanks for all your advice girls.  Hb has been taking the full set of vitamins for 2 weeks now.

Rachnotts, hope you get a good result from taking all the vitamins. Mrscloudy, that's useful to know about the hormones, will bear that in mind.

Feel a bit fraudulent now, as just found out am pg!  Only 4 weeks, early days yet.  Hb still taking vitamins 'just in case.'  Considering we were both told we had problems, seems to be a bit of a miracle!  It certainly feels like that.  Hope this brings some hope to those of you whose partners have similar problems, because despite the poor samples, one sperm seemed to have got through!

Not sure what else to say, but please have my babydust!
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Mrs B.
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Hi Mrs B

^BFP^ - congratulations!!! That is absolutely brilliant news. ^clapping^ Hope you have a happy and healthy 9 months preparing to be a mummy.

Congratulations once again. You give us all hope. Thanks for the babydust!!

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Thanks for your excited response Rach, that' so kind of you.  It's lovely to know it gives others hope too. ^sunny^
 

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Way to go Mrs B here's to a happy and healthy pregnancy.... I am soooo  chuffed that you have managed to avoid having tx.

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Hi Mrs B
My DH had 9% normal forms and was advised by Marilyn Glenville's clinic to take the following:

MG Fertility plus for men
Bio-Magnesium - 2 per day
Super EFA (fish oils) - 2 per day
Vitamin C 1000 - 1 per day
Managese- 1 every morning
Zinc - at bed time

The last two were because he was zinc and managese deficient in a hair test. The brand recommended was Biocare - you can get from The Natural Health Practice (there's a link on Marilyn Glenville's website).
Also been advised to eat organic and cut down booze and caffeine and to go for another test after 8 weeks have passed. However, the consultant said that 9% is not a serious problem, though it does affect fertility we should still be able to conceive naturally assuming nothing is wrong with me.
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Congratulations Mrs B!
Just thought I'd add our news here for anyone else who may read this.  My dh had poor motility and morphology (only 3%)  We were told to expect ICSIs as our next step.  DH has had 4 mths of taking vits - zinc, selinium ac&e, vitamin c.  He also took up regular exercise, became veggie, cut down on the alcohol and hot baths.  His second SA showed an improvment to 8% morphology and an increase in motility.  We've now been told that ICSIs will be our last step and I've just been given clomid to try for 3mths.  What is interesting is that you were told 15% normal is acceptable - 10% is deemed acceptable at our clinic, that's why the increase to 8% for us is so good.

Good luck with your pg!

Claire
 
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