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There is still no sperm in my husband's sample  :'( and we've been told they will try a tese to see if anything is happenin gat all.  Our doc told us that with a tese in England, if they do find a sperm or two they will not be able to keep hem and use them for icsi.  Is that true does anyone know more?
 

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Hi Brandy,  ^hello^

Has your DH had his FSH levels tested?  These indicate if the testicles are in fact still producing sperm as the higher they are the harder the brain will be telling your DH testicles to produce sperm meaning they are not currently producing sperm.  ^sperm^ ^sperm^ ^sperm^

Tese is a form of surgical sperm retrieval where a small incision is made in the testicles and then either sperm is directly retrieved or even testicular tissue can be retrieved in order to locate sperm.  ^doc^

My DH has to have SSR (Surgical Sperm Retrieval) done and we have been informed that any sperm located will be frozen and then used for ICSI.    ^sperm^ ^sperm^

It is said that the sperm does not thaw too well so they do like to carry out a second SSR at the same time of EC (egg collection).   ^doc^

There are a few of us in the same position over on the ICSI board posting under Male Factor ICSI (I think you actually popped in once), come and join us.  There is actually one or two on there who have had SSR sperm defrosted and gone on then to use it with ICSI.  ^gossip^

It certainly is not as black and white as your GP is making out and in fact most clinics in the UK carry out SSR for use with ICSI.  If I were you I would get an appointment with either a Urologist or Andrologist (Andrologist would be better as they are more specialized in this field) who can advise you further.  ^afro^

Where are you located?  I have a couple of numbers that I could give you.  ^phone^

Good luck and please, please remember it is not over at this point.  You do have a long hard road to go down but we are all there to help you along it.  ^gossip^

Don't forget to come and join us under ICSI.

If you need to know anything else just let me know.  ^daisy^

Lol and luck.

Fin
 

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Hi Brandy

I would like to agree with Fin. A TESE is by far the best way to locate sperm and in the UK, even if they find just one ^sperm^, they can use it for ICSI. It is by no means the end of the road for you yet.

Has your DH had any blood tests done yet?

My DH has got to have a TESE to see if he is producing sperm at all too. We dont know whether he has obstructive or non obstructive azoospermia (no sperm in the ejaculate ) Yet. The male factor ICSI thread is where I get most of my support from. Please join us, it helps to smooth out any doubts you have

Take care,

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Mae
 

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My husband sees an endocrinologist - ie a hormone specialist, because his problem is that his pituitary gland in his brain is not working.  They're trying to stimulate it to produce hormones.  The first injection is working - he now produces testosterone - but he is still not responding to the fsh which should make him produce sperm.  What is an andrologist and where do we find one?  Would we have to be referred on to one by the gp/endo?  (just to add to our collection of consultants...)
 

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Hi Brandy,

An Andrologist is a person who specialises in the the male aspect of reproduction and will be able to discuss sperm retreival techniques with you.

I am seeing one in London tomorrow that I refered myself to so you can do it yourself if you like.  Your GP should be able to advise of a good one in your area.

If you don't mind me asking what is your DH FSH level?

Good luck.

Lol

Fin
 

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Sorry it keeps taking me ages to reply to anything - since the news I haven't felt like researching or talking about it with anyone.  I think I'm just still tryign to get my head round it.

Anyway, Fin my hubby doesn't produce fsh, he has to take it in an injection form 3x a week to stimulate his testes to produce sperm.  Which isn't workign right now but who knows...  I think we'll wait until January when we have another sa or a tese (whatever happens first) and then we'll find an andrologist.  I feel like I need to build myself up again before going anywhere else, it's so hard to pick yourself up when you keep getting killer blows.  I'm usually strong, but this time I feel like asoggy piece of paper and I can't get myself up again - I've temporarily lost the drive to move this thing forward.

Thanks for the info though, it would be good to talk to a specialist in male infertility probems.  Since we live in London too we'll probably get sent to one there I guess.  Two more months and then we can re-group and decide again.

Thanks for the help.
 

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Hi Brandy,

Please, please do not give up hope.  It is so easy to give up with all of the odds stacked against you (I have nearly thrown in the towel on many occasions) you just have to keep going.

Remember that even though you feel awful now not all of the doors have been closed to you as yet.  You still have avenues to try and until you are actually told in no un certain terms your DH will never produce sperm there will always be something to fight for.

I wish I could give you a great big hug but this will have to do.  ^Cuddle^

The way I try to look at it is that this is God's way of giving you a special gift.  There are so many people out there with children that mean the world to them but they will never truly appreciate what they have until they come close to loosing them.  You will have a baby and when that day comes it truly will feel like a miracle to you and you will be able to appreciate your child even more knowing what you have come through to get your bundle of joy and through this your relationship with DH can become so much more stronger.

So please, please try and think of this when you are feeling down and remember that I am always here to help pick you up and put the light back on for you.

I would recommend that you go and see Dr Balet at The Bridge Centre in London though as he was so wonderful and a truly special man.  After DH and myself had been told we had virtually no chance of successful SSR he has given us a 50/50 chance and to me 50% is better than nothing.  We have even been given the date for SSR which is 20 Nov 04.

Again try and think positive you need to for your whole well being to be able to get through this.

I am sure that you and DH will one day get your dream.

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Fin
 

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Brandy,

As with others I felt like I had no hope but SSR has worked for us, so keep positive!  ^reiki^  ^reiki^

Regards
Andy
 

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Brandy,

Despite having 3 NIL SA and an unsuccessful PESA, we will now be having TESE in January.

We feel that we must exhauste all routes before we can give up hope of having our own biological children. If at this point thye find none, at least we know there was nothing more we could do.

Granted my DH has FSH levels of 5.1, which is a good indication that he is making sperm but as always we have to go through this with no guarantees.

Best of luck in whatever you choose to do.

Natalie x
 

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Brandy - looking back at your original post you DR said they couldn't freeze 1 or 2 sperm in one sense this is true.  leading up to our ICSI I had 1 SA and an SSR the bit they test after freezing of the SA had 2 happy sperm in it but when they came to defrost the rest of the SA there were none.  The issue is that they need to defrost a portion of the sample and get some live sperm to test that others will survive.  I realise it is hard but SSR can be quite sucessful.

JR would not keep a sample if the test portion had no sperm in it which I found upsetting...

Regards
Andy
 
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